medical weed and paid leave

11/17/2021

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Chuck Corra: Welcome back to Appodlachia, my name’s Chuck Corra. I’m here with Big John Isner.

John, it’s morning in America again.

The bipartisan infrastructure package was passed. Joe Biden demonstrated American exceptionalism by farting in front of the Duchess of Cornwall.

And Britney Spears has been freed we’re back, baby. We are back we’re.

Big John Isner: Back 

Chuck Corra: America is back roaring back, man. I’m in it. I’m here.

Big John Isner: I’m here. That’s all I can say. 

Chuck Corra: That’s true. And I should say that we are facing record inflation and Democrats are ignoring it and thumbing their nose at it, at least apparently so to their own peril.

West Virginia’s first medical cannabis facility opens in Morgantown

Chuck Corra: So, the first topic we’re going to touch on today is medical weed. This story came up on our news feed recently.

We. That’s right. The ganja marijuana, the devil’s lettuce, that’s all the euphemisms I’m willing to come up with right now, West Virginia. They passed a medical marijuana bill. God, it was probably what was like 20, 20 16, 20 17. 

Big John Isner: I believe it was 2016 

Chuck Corra: It was a long time ago. Five years in the making.

They finally opened their first medical cannabis dispensary. And this was earlier, or excuse me, late last week and Morgantown, West Virginia. Big deal. Very big deal. I’m going to give some details first, but then I want to get your take on this. It is operated and owned by Trulieve, which is the biggest cannabis retailer in the country and is based in Florida.

We will get into that. And what that means here in a second, they’re also opening one. I found out in Western West Virginia in fact today. So that’ll make two that we know of right now. Your thought there’s one coming to Ravenswood and there you go. It truly one, I don’t 

Big John Isner: know if they own it, but there is one coming to Ravenswood because the mayor.

Been very supportive of it, which obviously cool. And has worked for hand in hand with that, that company, the whole city has, so I just 

Chuck Corra: know about it. Yeah. There’s, there’s going to be several, I don’t know what the opening dates are for each of them, but there’s I know that they granted, I think there’s 10, right?

Yeah. There’s 10 there are 10 dispensaries. I think there also are licenses for growers and processors as well, but yeah, 10 dispensaries. Right. So your thoughts generally, and then we’ll talk about some of the upsides, some of the downsides. 

Big John Isner: Obviously, I think it’s a great thing. It’s something that needed to happen a long time ago.

I’m glad that it’s not just pill form, which was the original bill in West Virginia, which I thought was really dumb because it was obviously a play to the pharmaceutical manufacturers. Cause they’re the only ones that can grate the pill form, but they amended that and got it right. The rollout has been slow.

West Virginia has had a lot of red tape on this.  

Chuck Corra: yeah, yeah, no, that’s a big problem of it.

So I won’t go into all the details that we’ve talked about. The West Virginia medical cannabis law on this show before, and I just looked it up. The downsides are worth talking about. First of all, owned and operated by Trulieve, which is the largest cannabis retailer in the country.

It’s a huge company they’re publicly traded. Funny enough, you’ll appreciate this the day that they did like the ribbon cutting of this facility, I believe the day before the huddle. Of the CEO of true leave. So the CEO of if Kim rivers were there in Morgantown on that day the CEO’s husband was indicted on or excuse me, was convicted on con corruption charges in the state of Florida and is going to be serving several years in prison.

I believe it is so great to take away. They asked for eight years, the prosecutor said, oh, that I don’t think sentencing has been Having it been announced yet, but you know, that might’ve been a nice, nice PR event to take away from that for them. Anyway, that doesn’t, it doesn’t really matter for that sentencing seems really high.

That’s what the prosecutor suggested. I don’t know-how. Hi,

we’ll just understand. Let us take a moment of silence. Just let that sink in for everybody there. Just let that, this is the quality that we have the quality of the comedy on this show. Yeah, so very high that doesn’t have anything to do with this. I just want to point that out. Cause it was funny.

 So the downsides something 

Big John Isner: to do with it, I mean, they, they gave the contract to these guys. 

Chuck Corra: Right. I’m just saying like, it doesn’t have anything to do with this particular dispensary in Morgantown, West Virginia and the details of it. But yeah, it’s, I mean, there’s probably a lot that could, you could unpack there.

So the law itself, as we mentioned is very limited. There’s no home cultivation, it’s a pretty restrictive list of qualifying conditions in order to get a medical card. One thing that I didn’t realize until now is that there’s no reciprocity for it, except for terminally ill cancer patients, which is just a ridiculous thing to have in there.

As you mentioned, there were a lot of licenses given to out-of-state entities in order to, to operate businesses in the state. And they’re expensive licensing fees. This is one thing that I think. There are several things, but one thing that really wanted to kind of fixate on was it is more difficult for local people to own and operate businesses that are focused on medical cannabis.

Particularly dispensary has growers and processors in the state of West Virginia. And it’s something that we have pointed out in this show before. But what I thought was really outrageous, I don’t know. Maybe somebody can push back on it, but growers and processors, if you want to be a growing process in West Virginia, you have to have at least $2 million in capital with at least 500 grand of it on deposit.

So liquid cash and dispensary applicants were required to have at least 150 K of capital on deposit. That’s a lot of money. I have liquid to come up with in order to operate a business here. So of course, a company like true leave would have those resources to be able to do that. But you know, your local people who maybe want to own and operate a business, it’s gonna be a lot more difficult for them to do it.

That’s not to say that I am not happy about the progress here. I just want to point that out because I know there’s going to be some people that will absolutely be pointed out for us. But I do think it is 

Big John isner: horrible. I mean, we like, this was an issue with, with West Virginia the entire time we knew it was going to be an issue.

It’s the same reason why the original bill said, you know, pill forms. Cause it got, it went to pharmaceutical companies. It’s the same reason why they put a very arbitrary number of 150,000 because they know most West Virginians. Aren’t able to come up with that very quick. Because of a terrible economy that let’s face it, the legislature has created.

And it’s one of those things that continues. It shows it should show you that the legislature right now, or at least in 20, well, no, I’m gonna say right now has continued this way of life. That West Virginia has constantly been in, which is let’s let outsiders come in and make money while we pay them 

Chuck Corra: to do it off of our resources.

Yeah. Every time you, I believe you have to grow. If you’re going to operate a grow business and process busy, you have to have it in West Virginia. So they’re utilizing the natural resources to, to do that. And so really it is, it is pillaging the land for profit, which I hate. I do think that it’s important to point this is progress.

I do see this as progress because, and I wasn’t involved obviously in the legislative process of this there’s people who can tell you all about it, but I’m sure that people had to fight tooth and nail just to get this form of this bill passed, you know, to get anything is a big deal in this. Rusty Williams up with our first guests we ever had on this show worked his fucking ass off to get this.

And so God loves them and we appreciate it for him. And, and even Richard Ojeda when he was a state Senator also did a lot of work on this credit to them and many other people, but there’s a lot of work to be done. I do see this as a net positive because at the end of the day, people who otherwise did not have access to medical cannabis.

I have access to it. Now, is there a lot of problems in the bill? Absolutely. Is there a lot of problems that need fixed? Yes. Is this ideal? No, but when you see people who have been struggling with pain, been struggling with their health, get some relief from this, that is a win. And this is something that I wanted to point out because so many people, I mean, even on our social media, when we posted this.

Immediately with the negative. And like, I get it. I understand like that’s the inclination, but it’s always like, well, too little too late. Or, you know, that this is just another money grab for corporate interests. Like, yeah, it, it is. But you have to look also at, are we moving the ball forward? Yes. Is there more work to do?

Absolutely. And that doesn’t mean that the advocacy stops here, but too little too late, in my opinion, that’s kind of fucking bullshit because there are people who now are getting the relief that they need, that they’ve wanted for so long. And if they were unable to access before, not everybody can use the black market in order to get weed so they can, they can help themselves and help relieve their pain, whether it be from, from chronic arthritis to terminal.

Terminal cancer, you know? So I like to try to find some silver linings in this because obviously, it’s not ideal, but we have to work with this and move forward. And this is, this is a good thing. This is a good thing that we’re opening places like this, that people have access to this. 

Big John isner: Yeah. I do want to say, I, I fully understand the sentiment of too little too late.

I’ve watched thousands of people have to leave here. In order to live a decent life because they didn’t have access to medical cannabis. So I do understand, I agree with you there, that the progress here is real and that for a lot of people. It’s exceptional, but we have lost, you know, everybody wants to focus on the economy and stuff, which is great, but there are little things I shouldn’t even say little, there are things like this that caused people to leave too, which I think has been a major issue that the legislature’s kind of ignored for a really long time.

 But I do, I totally agree with what you’re saying. I, I, I guess just giving the people who are saying that, that’s, I’m assuming what they’re partly what they’re meaning. The other big thing that I think is a negative here that we haven’t mentioned. Is the cost. So I know someone who went to the dispensary in Morgantown, one, it took them six hours in line six hours.

That’s a lot of times. But I assume that that’s going to go down in time with, 

Chuck Corra: you know, and there was a, there was a line out that, yeah. I mean, it was massive. It was 

Big John Isner: first day, whatever. But the other thing is that the cannabis that they’re selling is substantially high, like higher than what you see elsewhere.

I mean, they’re, I mean, I, I know that there, it costs a lot, whatever, but even talking to people who are in the know say that it’s about $20 higher. Like let’s say for an eighth or whatever higher than they would get elsewhere, elsewhere being whatever, you know, 

Chuck Corra: on the black market where you would traditionally buy it.

Yeah. That’s a, that’s a problem nationwide. That’s not, it’s definitely not exclusive to West Virginia. And that’s a problem that I think. Is going to be a hurdle when legalizing federally, because anywhere in the country, no matter if you’re in Colorado, California, anywhere, it is always going to be more economically efficient to go to like, whatever you wanna call it, black market, underground dealer, whatever you want to call it.

 Rather than a business that has to pay usually pretty high taxes. And a lot of times it’s because you’re paying those taxes type of thing. It’s just not good. 

Big John Isner: Oh, I get it. I do know that some of those states started out at this high of a level, came down some whenever they were able to essentially get more growers into the state.

I think that’s what is going to hurt West Virginia is that it’s so limited with what they’re allowing in right now that it’s only going to hurt the consumer until we get essentially. More supply to lower the price. 

Chuck Corra: The biggest problem though, is the federal prohibition on it, which makes it exceedingly difficult to actually operate a functional and safe business because you have like federal like banks will not lend you.

Like, this is a, it’s a prohibition federally. So a lot of times, these companies can’t store their money in a bank. Like they have to store it in a vault and oftentimes they have to hire security to do it. And maybe a little bit different for medical. I’m not sure, but I know with at least with recreational in different parts of the country, they have to do that.

And it’s a huge added expense, a huge liability for the business because they’re more prone to getting robbed, that type of thing. And it makes it just a lot more difficult to operate a legitimate business, which is why obviously we. You know, get rid of the federal prohibition on it. And I know that there’s some movement, in fact, from Republicans that are at least trying to pass a cannabis banking law right now that would allow for banks to do that.

But anyway, should be all over. But I felt like that was important context, net positive net negative. What’s your, what’s your final review on 

Big John Isner: this? I mean, it’s obviously a positive, it’s just one of those things that can take time. We need all of them to open up. We need to see how it’s going to be run. And honestly, when you see how.

How it’s going to be enforced by employers. That’s my big question. Whenever any state implements this, because simply because they get a medical card, it’s not federally legal, so it doesn’t, I mean, employers can still fire you. So there’s, there seems to be this like, notion that the ADA protects you from this, but it really doesn’t.

It, the ADA doesn’t see marijuana as. Treatment that, you know, that’s protected. So I, I know there was a direct TV case that was done when Colorado first did medical and a guy who was a paraplegic was using medical marijuana legally in the state of Colorado. DirecTV fired him because he tested positive and.

 The court ruled that they could do that. So it’s 

Chuck Corra: downside. There’s a lot of, there’s a lot of, a lot of downsides to states having to do this in a patchwork fashion, rather than there being a federal that allow. Throughout the land. That’s the downside of our system of federalism. Unfortunately.

Yeah, I would agree. I think it’s definitely been a net positive. And, and with anything like this, this is completely new landscape for a state like West Virginia, completely new. And with anything like that, It’s going to be, there’s going to be some bumps along the road. There’s going to be a lot of things you need to iron out in order to get it to the point where you want it to be, especially in a state like West Virginia, where it’s completely controlled by Republicans, many of whom were hostile to this to begin with and still are.

Don’t take the foot off the gas pedal because that’s how you get the type of reforms that we need to make this better to make it so that then local people can own and operate these businesses so that we can have West Virginia and provide these things for West Virginians. That’s all I’ll say. All right.

Paid Leave in Appalachia

 You may have heard the talking point – the US is the only industrialized nation that doesn’t offer paid parental leave. And that’s factually right. What we’re talking about here is taking time off for, let’s say a pregnancy, for example, most employers in the United States.

Pay don’t don’t provide paid time off for that. It’s not federally mandated. And the vast majority of employers don’t offer that as a benefit, especially for low wage workers. Now, I will say that there is a federal family medical leave act that does offer leave. Family medical leave, as you say.

 But it’s unpaid and it only applies to about 44% of workers even qualify for it because it doesn’t apply to smaller companies. Part-time workers, that type of thing. But we’re talking about paid family leave because it has been a provision that has been in and out of the building. Better plan. If you’ve been listening to us the past couple months, we’ve been talking about this a little bit.

We had an episode on it. It’s the social spending bill that we mentioned originally in the bill. Just give it a little bit of background that we can kind of get into the discussion about this originally in the bill back, a better plan that Joe Biden excuses me, the Joe Biden announced and proposed.

There was 12 weeks of paid family leave mandated by the federal government. So that’s three months of paid leave. That got a cut initially because sheriff, Joe mansion of the the great state of West Virginia decided that he didn’t like it. And since he’s a deciding vote in the Senate, he gets his way a lot of times.

So they cut it down to four, but then it ultimately got cut out. The most recent thing that has happened, this was, I believe the first or 2nd of November. About two weeks ago, as of the recording of this show, they had put a provision back in the bill to include four weeks of paid family. Leave. One of the reasons why we wanted to talk about this day, because it is so important and it impacts everybody.

It doesn’t matter if you are a woman who gives birth or someone who is the parent of a kid who was just born. It doesn’t matter because it affects you. You know, it’s something that I think so many people wish that they had and they don’t. I think the statistic is that only 20% or one in five workers in the United States even have paid leave and their benefits.

And who knows like how much that is. It could be four weeks, could be two weeks. One of my jobs that was two weeks, it was kind of like pointless at that point. But, and only 8% of low wage workers. So this is something that is so important to so many people. John, you, you had brought this up because you wanted to talk about, I assume that you you have some thoughts on it.

Big John Isner: Yeah. I mean, it’s one of those things that you would think by now, as we claim to be the greatest country in the world, that we would have these things and that they wouldn’t be at. It’s one of those things that continues to be a huge debate. And the funny thing to me is that we hear older generations right now complain all the time about millennials.

And what gen Z is that, is that the other one that’s near us Z or 

Chuck Corra: zoomers. 

Big John Isner: Sure. They complain all the time that we’re not having kids. Right. But they also are the same people who don’t want to enact things like this. The reason why we’re not having kids is when we can’t afford them and we can’t afford to not go to work.

When you implement something like parental leave, it allows people, it incentivizes people to feel like they’re able to. Sustain a family while starting it. That’s the hardest thing in the entire world for young people to think about. I can tell you this right now. I will never have children.

We will, it will not happen. Why? Because one finances, I, I never want to have that burden into, I, I don’t have a job that has parental leave. I at least I don’t believe so. And it’s one of those things. I think even if my wife had it, she’s so busy at work, she can’t, she can’t leave because it’s that hard.

 So I mean, it’s one of those things, parental leave needs to be put on the table. It needs to be passed and needs to be put on the table and it needs to be expected from employers. I think that’s the other thing going into this, that people were forgetting. We need to start putting pressure on employers to provide this.

I don’t know how we’ll figure it out. I’m sure. But we have to, we’re starting to put pressure on them to pay better wages. Now we start putting pressure on them to provide benefits, like parental leave. It’s 

Chuck Corra: something that we think about my wife and I, because we do want to have kids and it’s extremely expensive.

And if you don’t, I mean, you can talk to anybody. We’re not the experts on this by the way. And I hope that we have somebody on soon. They can speak to it personally. But you talked to anybody who has given him. And the recovery period is long and arduous. And that’s, that’s just the physical recovery period, not the mental recovery period, not the period of time where you, God forbid you may actually want to spend time with your newborn child.

I mean, what a novel idea that that might be. Those are things that. Employers don’t think about, because they think about their bottom line. They think about the dollars and cents they think about, oh, how am I going to compensate for this person not coming in every day. But these are things that people think about and, and really base planning a family around and that’s sad and that’s fucked up.

It shouldn’t be that way. You shouldn’t have, to plan your entire life around whether or not your employer is going to allow you to take time off. To take care of a child that you just gave birth to, or just had, and your family, these are things that should be no brainers. And they were no brainers. In fact, 163 countries offer paid family leave to women and 45, which guarantee it to men as well.

 And it should be a no-brainer for the United States, but it’s not for whatever reason. I truly don’t understand why I think we’ll get into some of the counterarguments, but I’m going to just give you a little peek behind the curtain. Now, I think they’re all a bunch of garbage. But one thing I wanted to point out because we’re going to talk about like, why is important Appalachia?

One of the reasons why is that low-wage workers are the ones that are hard. By not having this the most. And when I say low, low wage worker what I mean, and for the purposes of this from a statistics standpoint, if somebody who makes less than $683 a week, or roughly $35,516 a year, that’s for considering low wage worker, cutting paid leaves hurts them because only 8% of them currently have access to paid family leave compared to 20%.

Like we mentioned before of all workers, the United States still that’s still exceedingly low. And when you’re trying to treat. Raise a family on those low wages. It’s hard enough. It’s even harder when you have to take unpaid time off. So you’re not getting paid or you don’t have time off at all. And you have to find a way to take care of that child as well, which childcare we don’t even want to get into it, but it’s outrageously expensive.

It’s terrifying to think about. And John, you know this, I mean, Appalachia, the median household income is significantly less than the average in the country. It’s only 83% of the national average and only one Appalachian state guarantees paid family leave. And that’s New York, everybody, every other state doesn’t Appalachia stands to gain so much from having guaranteed mandated paid family leave.

Why are people standing in the way?

Big John Isner: think there’s a couple of reasons. I don’t know if I don’t buy them, but I mean, one of the big ones is you said it earlier about companies having to essentially replace that worker while being out that’s. One of the big arguments is how will companies go about doing that?

Chuck Corra: Yeah. I mean, I think the biggest thing I’ve heard the chief argument any way is particularly from smaller businesses, I guess, who are worried about the absences and how are they going to compensate for that? How are they going to, you know, Fill that role or backfill. And, and here’s the thing. And look, I mean, they, a lot of employers, not all of them, a lot of them already account for things like vacation days and sick days, those are offered to employees.

I realized that those aren’t equivalent, but. They are able to run the numbers and make that work for themselves. My question is, why can’t they do the same to provide leave? Is this purely a financial thing? I don’t know, but my sense is, and from what I’ve read is that it is something that most employers could do and that the government could step in for the ones that couldn’t, 

Big John Isner: I will play devil’s advocate here because I.

I don’t think that sick days and vacation days are good comparative between it, because most people, most companies have policies where you can’t take them all at once. We’re talking right now, what four to six weeks is on the table for parental leave. Four to six, I mean, that’s a substantial portion plus people taking unpaid.

Chuck Corra: I will say when I’m saying that to clarify, I’m saying that they have priced that into their equation in order to be able to offer that. So they found 

Big John Isner: our people during that. 

Chuck Corra: I’m saying that they’re offering that as a benefit. A lot of them are, so they have already priced it into the equation to be able to financially compensate for the fact that they’re allowing somebody to take that time.

No, not successfully, but they’ve been able to do that. So why aren’t they not able to suddenly do it for anything? 

Big John Isner: else they’re able to do it? It will. I mean, it will cost them more money. I don’t think that that’s. Not true. Whether or not they should, that’s a different story, but I think it will cost that it wasn’t going to cost them.

I’m not saying it’s not, I’m just saying I, I, it will cost them money. The other thing that I do want to say that I do honestly think is a real counter-argument has nothing to do with the businesses it has to do with the coworkers. I think that’s the hardest part. I think that’s the hardest position right there.

Not the fact that they, they don’t want to do, they shouldn’t do it, but a lot of the times. Companies won’t backfill positions and the work will essentially be spread to co-workers who are already overworked and probably underpaid. So I do think that there’s a problem there because there is no mandate that they have to backfill.

There’s only a mandate they have to, there would only be a mandate that they have to give the time. And most of the time they don’t, they likely don’t fill that position. The work just gets spread out. 

Chuck Corra: Yeah, I, I think you’re going to have that you have that problem already, right. With with taking leave for literally any other reason.

And I think that that’s a whole other can of worms. Obviously, we will not be addressed by this, but that’s, I think a, I don’t want to go into a whole spiel about unions again, but that is a very important part of them is that they help protect you in that case and be able to advocate on behalf of yourself because when the power is solely vested in the employer, that’s where things like the.

Fall through the cracks. That’s where other employees are expected to pick up the slack for someone when they’re gone. And, and so like, that’s, that’s just the nature of all of this, but I think that there’s never going to be a perfect solution, first of all. And I think that this has been. That’s something that’s a long time coming at me.

If you think about, at least women’s participation in the workplace now compared to, you know, 20, 30, 40 years ago, it’s substantially higher in part, because it’s almost impossible to have a single income family, even just two people and survive on that, especially in high-cost areas. So there’s, this has been coming for a long time.

I think the, the problem that you have to solve is that there needs to be a political will for. And right now it seems like there kind of is, but I don’t know if, if they’re going to be able to get it across the finish line, at least in Congress 

Big John Isner: thing that I think would be beneficial and I think needs to happen.

Obviously this is a very selfish thing. I don’t think it should be parental leave. I think it should be essentially the family medical leave act, but. Not, not the restrictions on, on employers, but for instance, if you don’t have kids, maybe you have like an older parent that you need to take time off where you need to be paid for.

I’ve always thought that it needed to be extended to something like that. Because a lot of, I mean, if you look at the people who have to leave, yes. Part of it is for. For children most, most, when they have to abruptly leave, happens because it was a family illness.

Chuck Corra: I don’t know that that’s not necessarily the case for this and I don’t know if the language of the bill truthfully has even been published and that will dictate whether or not that’s the case. But I agree with you. I completely completely agree because especially with our generation where there’s not a. There’s. I mean, we’re just, we’re having kids later or not having them at all.

Whereas at our parents’ generation, if you didn’t have a kid, by the time you were 25, people were like, what’s wrong with you? So that’s, and, and I think like bereavement leave and, and like paternity and maternity leave should all be encompassed within paid family leave because these are necessities of life.

Like you don’t get to choose when a relative passes away. That’s not up to you and that, and you shouldn’t be expected to work when that happens. But so many people are, I mean, I’ve seen, I’ve heard so many horror stories from people whose, whose parents have passed away. You know, his grandparents whose kids even have passed away and they still had to go into work because they couldn’t afford to not.

And B because they didn’t have paid leave in order to go and take care of that, or just God forbid grieve without having to think about, you know, Busting your ass for some employer 

Big John Isner: leave for someone who dies a family member who dies in two days. That’s most that are the most common is two days. 

Chuck Corra: And where did they come up with that?

Like, okay. So 48 hours is the con is the mandated time that you have to get over the, get over the death 

Big John Isner: of a loved one that your wife died to take 48 hours. I know your take, I know your life. I know your life has substantially changed. You’ll have problems paying bills. Oh. And the person that you’ve loved your entire life is dead 48 hours work.

Chuck Corra: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe even do it for a long weekend, if you will, you know, take that Thursday and Friday 

Big John Isner: and the funeral on Saturday though. I don’t want you to miss any time. 

Chuck Corra: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, that’s that’s fuck, then got terrible. You know, you say that. And we are of course saying that in jest, but we’re also not because that is legitimately the conversation that many people have had with their employers.

And it’s discussed it’s. I am grateful to have a job where that would not be the case I am, but I recognize that so many people don’t and I can’t imagine losing, even my dog, my dog who eats everything and go. I don’t know how she hasn’t died yet on it. So it, the kind of stuff sheets, but like losing a level and losing my wife, God forbid, or my parents, I mean, and being expected to go in.

Here’s the other thing I’m just not to get on a rant, but how do you expect a person to be productive? You know, like how do you expect somebody to come into work and actually like, just perform. 

Big John Isner: It’s all about control and has nothing to do with work. If employers want to control employees, that’s the name of the game?

Well, and it is essentially reminding them that they’re in power. And that’s all that these, these made-up rules are. They’re all made up. 

Chuck Corra: Made up rules were made up money.

Like, I mean, if you think about it, 

Big John Isner: it’s all about power. That’s number one. It doesn’t matter about money. Number one is power because power can lead to everything else. 

Chuck Corra: I completely agree. I think a lot of employers look at it. They view it in terms of a slippery slope. Well, if I, if I give a little here.

Then I’m going to have to give a little to everybody. And then when they’ve seen me give a little, they’re going to expect a little it’s very much. If you give a mouse, a cookie type thing, except in this case, it’s not a mouse in a cookie. It’s somebody who lost their wife. Yup. Or 

Big John Isner: husband, or, or son or daughter.

Jesus. I should be able to take time. If, if my dog dies, it doesn’t matter. You should be able to fucking do it because you know why it’s one of those things I would read. I much rather have an employee who’s grieving at home and getting things together who comes back and at least somewhat has somewhat more of a clearer mind and clear ability to do things.

Then one that I have to worry about having a breakdown in their office, 

Chuck Corra: right. Because that’s what happens. Exactly. And like, I mean, again, again, not to get all like way into the muck of this, but like what’s the whole purpose behind bereavement leave in general. It’s so that you can care for your own life it’s so that you can take care of the things that didn’t matter way more than work.

So whether that’s a dog dying or a kid dying, or a parent dying, if it affects you, it affects you. It is really, I think. It’s a sign that we are, have lost our values. If we’re not willing to give that to people. And I got to tell you, I could not look at someone and say, oh, you lost your, your wife. Will you have to be back in two days because that’s the rules?

No, I’d rather quit my job and try to figure out shit like that way. Then have to tell that to someone. I really wouldn’t. I 

Big John isner: can tell you this. If my employer ever said that to me, that’d be the day I left. 

Chuck Corra: Yes. 100% completely agree. 

Big John isner: No way, no way. Would I ever do that and no one should, but I know that there’s some people that have to be, you know, financially and things like that.

And it sucks. It does. It’s it’s awful. 

Chuck Corra: It’s terrible. But I, I do think. Again, I mean, we talked about this with the whole like weed dispensary thing. Like obviously there are drawbacks to paid family leave. There’s going to be some, some people that, that feel the brunt of it, but in the aggregate, it’s, it’d be a huge win for so many people, especially working families, especially low wage earners, who a lot of people have probably never had this in their life and their entire working life.

And. Again, this would just be a huge game-changer. And I, there is one thing I wanted to add to this, and I know it’s sort of off-topic, but I think with the discussion of this, there’s a lot of talk about like, oh, well, like why do people need this? You know, we’re getting out of the pandemic.

And there’s a lot of talk in DC. And I, again, taking off my cap because I do live in the area, but there’s a lot of talk of like, oh, well, if the mass mandates are gone, that means the pandemic’s gone and everything’s back to normal. First of all the mass mandates, aren’t all gone. But two, I feel like there’s been such a.

 Policymakers, especially to talk about and to actually account for the fact that the lasting implications of this pandemic are going to last for years, decades, even people who have lost wages who have lost their jobs, you don’t just magically recover from that. Like, imagine losing your job for several months.

You don’t just financially recover with the, you know, with the click of a pen because, because mask mandate stopped or because school started. And I feel like there’s, there’s such little consideration for that, where there are so many people who don’t make a lot of money who have been totally financially destroyed by this, that Dan is not going away.

Anytime soon if ever it’s all I got. That’s all I got on paid leave. I hope that, that they can include it within the actual build-back better plan. I hope to build back better plan passes. I’m very worried about it right now because of how high inflation is.

So if you are listening to this, give your lawmaker, give your a lawmaker, a call, especially if his name is Joseph mansion. The third, he was the United States Senator for West Virginia. And tell them your story, tell them that this will benefit you and let them know because this is very much.

Beef with the Kenny Powers of Beef

But with that being said, let’s move on to the last part of the show. The beef portion y’all know it. They call them the Kenny powers of beef. Cause he’s been blessed with many things in this life, an arm like a damn rocket beef, like a Burmese Python, and the mind of a fucking scientist. So people often ask him, John, what are your weaknesses?

Do you have any, he would say that my biggest flaw, my Achilles heel. My tireless work ethic beef with big John. If you bothered by back about the drill. Oh boy, big Johnson Fisher brother rules. That’s a big deal. That’s a mouthful, but it doesn’t matter. Still, y’all wants to do for big John, but at the same time, don’t you before big John trying to be the man in his time, open up wide in the week guy before big John Egypt.

Beautiful. Beautiful, John. 

Big John Isner: All right. Well, this week’s beef. I actually tweeted about it today. And what brought us up? Let me give you a backstory. This morning I went to my local Dunkin donuts. Chuck, I go through the. And come to find out they’re so short-staffed, they can’t serve food and they can’t serve the majority of their drinks.

They can only serve essentially cold coffee and hot coffee. That was it. That’s all. I looked in, there were three people. So I believe obviously that they were short-staffed this place has also not, I don’t know about where you live, but a lot where I live, a lot of the lobbies are closed. Like burger Kings, lobbies are closed.

Dunkin donuts lobbies are closed. I don’t know if that’s happening where you are. Honestly. 

Chuck Corra: I don’t go out a lot. I wouldn’t know. 

Big John Isner: Well, a lot of them, a lot of lobbies are closed here and a lot of it. Short staffing, but I’ve noticed something. Chuck, I’ve noticed that the places that that start at let’s say 13, 14, $15 don’t have clothes long.

They don’t have signs on the door. They don’t have issues with being able to make food. One of them, I think is a good example is sheets John Fetterman’s favorite right sheets. She’s a good example. Cause in my town, they started $13 an hour, which for my town is a prison. Pretty high starting wage when it comes to like fast food or retail or anything like that.

Yeah. And guess what? They have people who apply to it. People will show up, they have people who do their job because they pay them not a good wage. I will never argue that that’s a good wage, but they pay them a decent enough wage compared to what else is out there in my town. They show up to work.

They’re able to work. They do everything that they’re asked. They worked their asses off because sheets is really tough jobs, Starbucks, as much as I don’t like Starbucks because they’re anti-union, they have one of the higher wages in my city. Like, guess what? Their lobbies are open. They’re serving cold coffee, hot coffee, all the coffees, all the lattes, everything they’re able to do it all.

It’s a tough job. They get paid decently for it. There’s a Chipotle coming in my town. Guess what? They’re filling positions. Why? Because they start at 13 and $14 an hour. I will never feel bad. Mark this down. I don’t care. I’m so sick of hearing about the size of businesses. I’m sick of hearing about what it does for the employer.

If you can’t provide it. A livable wage to your employees that benefits them enough to want to show up to work. You don’t deserve to be in business point-blank. That’s it. If you can’t do it, don’t do it. You shouldn’t be there. That’s it. Burger King, Dunkin donuts, small businesses. I love small businesses.

I know that they’re the backbone of our society. Also, know that people have to make a wage and be able to live and pay their rent and put food on the table and take care of their kids because God forbid they don’t have any left to do it. It’s one of those things that needs to be said now more than ever.

I know that we’ve talked about this before. I need to point out the fact that I’m sick of hearing about the excuses. I’m sick of hearing that minimum wage jobs are for teenagers. Guess what? That’s not true. In fact, most minimum wage paying jobs now have age restrictions, meaning they hire 18. Plus for instance, Dunkin donuts.

I, I asked why aren’t you hire or w you know, w w why are you having issues? Are you hiring teenagers? What they can’t Dunkin donuts is 18 plus, I don’t know why Chuck, but it is. And guess what people want to argue that those jobs are for teenagers, but 18 plus just means they want to keep people poor.

That’s it? It’s one of those things that I don’t feel bad for these companies anymore. They should be valuing their employees. This should be a time. And if, if your employer. Is paying minimum wage to people and having staffing issues. And they’re not giving raises get out because they will never, ever, ever, ever, ever value you.

They will never value you as a worker. And they’ll never value you as a human being because guess what if they’re not giving raises right now during this time period, they never will. That’s my soapbox for this 

Chuck Corra: week. I think that’s very bizarre that they will not hire anybody under 18 and that’s to their detriment.

And that’s probably why their stupid lobbies are closed among other things. Obviously like you mentioned, that’s dumb pay your people better, give small businesses tax abatements or tax cuts or something and let’s just make this world a better place. Come on, come on folks. Anyway, that’s our show. Thanks so much for listening and we’ll be back next week with more Appodlachia.

Thank you. Love you. Good night

Appodlachia is a product of 18 Husky. The show is produced by Chuck Corra. None of the views expressed on this show represent the views of either Chuck or big John’s employers and never should be interpreted as such.

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