Appalachian TikTok Legend Danielle Kirk

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Intro: MySpace Tom is living the dream

Chuck Corra: Something that happened recently, that’s probably going to be old news by now, is that Facebook and Instagram and WhatsApp went down for like, I don’t know, a few hours.

Got me really thinking about the state of social media and also about MySpace. John, did you ever have a MySpace?

Big John Isner: Yeah I. To be honest. I don’t know what I would have posted on there. It’s probably terrible. Stupid shit. So I, I think I’ve just blocked it out, but yeah, I had like a top eight and stuff.

Chuck Corra: Hell yeah. I could mind getting a top 16 at one point actually.

Big John Isner: Oh, I see. I coded mine, which means I put a song in the background.

Chuck Corra: Yeah, man. Like it was, it was actually really kinda cool. Cause you could HTML and actually do a whole lot of shit.

Big John Isner: Dude. It did so much more than Facebook. And I remember when Facebook started to take over, I was like, why my space

Chuck Corra: I can’t disagree with that yet. Well, I mean, I had it for a long time. Then I got rid of the thing. I’m glad I deleted it a while ago, but it really got me thinking about it. You remember Tom, and I guess for those of you who are not familiar with my space was predated Facebook. Fairly antiquated, but the one thing you need to know about it is when you created it, you started out with one friend.

His name was Tom, Tom Anderson, as it turns out. And he was a founder of MySpace. This dude, John was a fucking genius. All right. He sold out. He sold my space back right before things got crazy in 2005, for $580 million. And he’s just been kicking it ever since. And like, God knows how much that is. And today’s men, I think it’s like 800 million or something.

And so I’m reading from this article. It’s been 16 years since he sold it, he’s just been kicking it, living in Hawaii, traveling all over the world. I believe he’s a travel photographer or something like you threw some money into space X or something, but he’s just really been chilling ever, ever since.

And honestly, that is the American dream and you know what, I applaud him. Yeah.

Big John Isner: I mean, but, okay. So imagine that he sells my space today. Holy shit. Like if it, if it continued on what’s Facebook worth like a country billion dollars.

Chuck Corra: Yeah. And yeah, so I’m looking here. Facebook is worth 1.2 trillion.

Big John Isner: Holy shit. Trillion.

Chuck Corra: It’s funny because that’s how much they want to spend on the reconciliation bill and look okay. I’m just going to throw it out there. I don’t think Tom MySpace, Tom gets the credit that he deserves. Cause he got in there. Did some very innovative things, got out pretty much before things turned to complete shit.

Like, yeah, we’ve started some drama with the top aids on my space and everything. But that is that’s peas and carrots compared to Facebook destroying democracy. He’s not Mark Zuckerberg now who is again, completely destroyed his reputation and arguably the world. He just caused some teenage

Big John Isner: angst.

I’m not gonna lie. If somebody came and said, Hey, I’ll buy Appodlachia for 500 million. I would say I won’t do it for less than 600 mil. And then we will negotiate and then honestly we would probably sell. Sure. Right? Yeah. I think that sounds like negotiation. That’s how you negotiate. I mean, that’s how I would try it, but yeah.

Not be a podcast. If somebody, if somebody wants to buy 18 Husky the business for 500 million, you hit us [00:06:00] up.

Chuck Corra: Look, we, I have values and principles, of course, but I’m not going to thumb my nose at a, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars. Right?

Big John Isner: Exactly. Yeah. I’ll I promise I’ll put in some broadband. I mean, hello,

Chuck Corra: dedicate half that of my shared of broadband’s 125.

Oh, there you

Big John Isner: go. Well, you have gotta wait for taxes though. You might want to wait on that.

Chuck Corra: Yeah. I guess I’d have to, you know, become a Republican or something and hate

Big John Isner: taxes. I’ve thought about this a lot. True. Now he, he does, he, he does live the dream good for him. Cause really honestly, I mean, Facebook just kind of ripped them off anyway.

So I’m glad he got paid in the long run. A good

Chuck Corra: I’m at least assuming he didn’t make my space for rating. Women’s attractiveness like mark Zuckerberg did with Facebook.

Big John Isner: Yeah.

Chuck Corra: Anyway, let’s move on John.

Chuck Corra: Well, let’s kick it over to our interview today. We’ve got a good one. John. We’ve got a good one. Danielle Kirk, I would say Appalachian TikTok Legend. This is a great conversation. But if you are you, there’s a good chance that you’ve probably heard of her.

She is a she’s from Mingo County, West Virginia, originally, but lives in Eastern Kentucky. We talk about a lot of things. We talk about Appalachian identity about stereotypes, and she even has a few, words of wisdom and advice for Charles Booker and his campaign to be Kentucky’s next Senator, including come to Eastern Kentucky, more so very excited about that’s a great conversation, John.

Big John Isner: I loved it. I’m so happy that we got Danielle on. And to be honest, who would’ve known, who would’ve thought that we would have got down the rabbit hole of, of so much on Charles Booker. So I hope Charles listens because he really needs to hear what Danielle has to say about the.

Chuck Corra: Oh, absolutely. Hell yeah. Completely agree. So I think you all will really enjoy our conversation with Danielle.

Interview with Danielle Kirk

Chuck Corra: You mentioned you. You’re you live in Martin, Kentucky from Martin, Kentucky as

Danielle Kirk: well.

Yeah. I’m from Mingo County, West Virginia. No kidding. I didn’t know

Chuck Corra: that

Danielle Kirk: I grew up in Williamson. I went there. I was one of the. Kids that went to Wilmington high school before they closed down and became Mingo.

Chuck Corra: Well, why didn’t know that that’s [00:13:00] really, really neat. Mingo county is such a special place.

It’s I feel like people don’t give it the credit. It deserves for being sort of a, I think a hub for a lot of history and a lot of really, really interesting things about West Virginia. Yeah.

Danielle Kirk: A lot of people don’t realize, I don’t think like it, it could be so much more than what it is. It should be so much more than what it is.

But so much was stolen and never gave back. And then we’ve had like the flood of Sandy salmon wiped out, what little bit, you know, we had kind of built over time after, you know, call it became what it was and it just never recovered, but it’s, it’s kinda starting to. Build backup with the trail system and all that stuff coming in for sure.

But yeah, I moved from Mingo county to Martin county after I graduated. And so I still I’m like [00:14:00] 20 minutes from Mingo Williamson where I grew up. I’m not far at all. That’s where.

Chuck Corra: So one thing that John and I, and in fact, we actually asked this about somebody else. Earlier in the week we were talking for another interview.

When did you first start kind of like identifying as an Appalachia? Has it always been a thing for you? Because for us, you know, we didn’t really identify as Appalachians per se, until later in life, we were always like, just consider ourselves west

Danielle Kirk: Virginians. That w that was me. Like, I always spelled like, you know, My upbringing was different than like, you know, a lot of people that I knew from away from here.

Like once I became an adult and I would have relationships, especially with the internet, I’m like, you know, like that’s a little bit different. And then it’s like, just over time. The more you learn about your ancestry and your background. It’s like, oh, okay. [00:15:00] So like you draw connections with Appalachians all over our music.

Our just like our entire cultural identity is really similar in. I think like, just learning more about other people’s experiences throughout Appalachia. I’m like, you know, maybe it’s not just specific to West Virginia. Like my husband, he grew up in Eastern Kentucky and I always joked on like, that should be an extension of West Virginia.

And then you really like, look at the bigger picture and it’s like, okay, maybe Appalachia as a whole should just be its own state. Like we have so much in common with one another. And so it was really just about learning, like my family history that may me, you know, more embrace like the Appalachian newness in my identity, you know, like just learning more about who I am and where my family came from.

So I, I used to like me not even want to be associated with. [00:16:00] The Appalachian part, because of so much negative that comes with that. I’m like, but that’s not who I am. Like, I’m not, you know, like that, I’m not, but you know what? Now I’m like, you’re not going to think that we’re like that. And here’s why, because I am Appalachian, you know, it’s like about correcting the, the negative that comes with it.

Big John Isner: Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean, look, we, we mentioned this a lot on, on the show too. A lot of people look at us as like ignorant Hicks who carry around like a gun on their side while like drinking out like a mountain Dew bottle and shooting the shit. Right. But like, Appalachia is so much more complex than so much more unique than that.

It’s one of those things. When, when we’ve watched your tick talk we’ve we realized a lot of what you’re doing in and you do it well is you kind of get hit with these stereotypes in the [00:17:00] comments, or you get hit with like, you know, different kind of bullshit about Appalachia. And, and you’re very good at, at taking that and answering why it’s wrong, you know, and continuing to give facts about.

So I want to jump into your, I don’t know if you call it like a Tik TOK career, but like your, your tick talk journey, I guess. W when did you start going on Tik TOK and making videos?

Danielle Kirk: So, like, I started my teak top for my actual business. Like I own a small business and I, so when I’m like, okay, I would, you know, I would share Early, like video clips of things that I had planned on doing, and like take talk, opened up like a war, like a world of information that I never would have experienced.

Like just learning about other cultures and things like that. I would say certain things that would just like infuriate me, like the [00:18:00] stereotypes and things like that. And I’m like, you’ve got this all wrong. Like, if you can break down those barriers that people have in those like fake ideas that people have improved, like that is me, you know, like when you say things like that, you’re making fun of me and.

I have made a few videos and I just deleted them. Cause I’m like, you know what? This is stupid. I’m not going to do this. I’m not going to go on here and try to prove myself, you know? And then one day I was like, you know what? My niece is on take talk. And my niece is like 14 years old. And. She’s on take talk.

And if she’s on take talk, there are thousands of other children growing up in Appalachia right now on take talk, and they see these things and I’m the adult. I have to, you know, defend them, like in my mind, I’m thinking of it as [00:19:00] my kids, seeing it, or, you know, my nieces or nephews seeing it. And it’s like, that’s not okay.

You know, how are we going to raise kids and say, you know, you don’t think this way and you don’t be a bullying. You don’t do that. If we’re allowed to still be treated poorly. And so I put a video out there and I’m like, Everybody wants to say, oh, West Virginia is like so poor and like it is, but why. Y every problem can be traced back to the things that existed 200 years ago.

Like every issue that we are dealing with today stems from things that happened before West Virginia was even a dag-gone state. And I’m like, we have to get to the why. And we have to explain to people why, because my dad didn’t explain stuff to me. My mom didn’t explain stuff to me. It was. You’re not going to play a [00:20:00] victim and you’re not, you know, you don’t owe any explanation to anyone.

And like, that’s, that’s nice to hear, you know, but we’re not a victim, but people do need to understand. Our background, just the same as it’s up to us to make sure we understand other people. So I would like eventually just started sharing things. And the one video that really picked up was when I was talking about how hard it was for people in my part of the state to build that generational wealth.

Like we need to talk about generational poverty, because that’s what. Happened. And I started talking about, you know, the coal camps and then it just led to like the battle of Blair mountain and all these things. I’m like, you want to write us off, but a lot of things that have been made better in this country started in Appalachia.

It started, [00:21:00] you know, when we put a community effort and went forward. So I think that like relatable to not just Appalachians, but acknowledging like other ethnic groups, black people, the native Americans that lived here, things like that, acknowledging that made people like realize, okay, maybe it isn’t what I thought it was.

And so I just share, you know, what I can. It’s kind of hard cause I have two kids and run a business, but I think just being relatable and if people have questions, I don’t, I try not to get angry. Even though sometimes comments do really take me off. Okay. Yeah. You can have a snack.[00:22:00]

Yeah, but some stuff really does like upset me, but I just, I try not to react in anger, you know?

Big John Isner: Maybe I should. I mean, I’ve, I’ve an entire segment on this show where I just react with anger. So maybe, maybe I’m doing something wrong.

Danielle Kirk: No, I think it’s sometimes I’ll look at the camera and I’ll read a comment and a whole like, test the entire first, like, and then I delete it and I’m like, that’s. If, you know, if I didn’t understand something or if I said something out of the way, I feel like I get more when someone tries to correct me in a more like teaching tone.

Instead of me reacting out of my ear. Cause if somebody gets mad at me and they start screaming and I’m just like, yeah, I don’t even care what you say. So with what I try to [00:23:00] do and teaching people, I’m like, I can’t be angry all the time. You know, even though people do angry, angry,

Big John Isner: oh, that’s fair. I was a terrible professor.

So that’s probably why I can’t teach worth a shit. So let’s go from you. Start the tech talk, you start making videos. You’re, you’re kind of into it. Fast forward to now you have 140,000 followers. Last time I checked. How has life changed? Has it changed at all? I mean, a lot of people associate, you know, followers with fame, fame, with fortune, you know, what, what has changed for you?

Danielle Kirk: People recognize me in public. Like that’s literally really weird. I have my niece with me or like I took her school shopping and we were at the Huntington. And there was a girl in American egg when she was not, you’re doing you Kirk, you’re on TV and I’m with my [00:24:00] niece. And I’m like, this is embarrassing.

I literally did not even know what to say. I was like, oh yeah, but it’s like, I’m just a normal person. You know, like I have a family, I. Just a regular laugh take talk is just a bonus to me. It’s never something that I started, like some creators, they try to monetize on their platform and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.

But to me, like what I do, I feel like that would be another form of. You know, may taking advantage of my experience and I’m like, I don’t need to make money off of this. I just want you to take what I’m telling you and be a better person and stop with the classism that you pack around. And you direct towards people who come from where I come from.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with, you know, [00:25:00] There’s a lot of Appalachia and creators who have made cookbooks and they shared their family recipes. And I love that and I support those creators, but for me, I’m just like, you know, I’m a normal person and this is what Appalachians are. We are normal people.

And you know, we do, we do just want to be treated like normal people. So many people are like, oh, I’m suppressed. You have all your teeth.

Yeah.

Chuck Corra: Oh my God, you wear shoes. Wow. I’m so shy.

Big John Isner: Wow. Yeah. You know what American Eagle is. The funny thing about that is I, and I think it’s very. Great of you to, to think like, you know, telling this Appalachian story and not monetizing, I think that you should cash in Danielle. I really do. And, and here’s why I’m not even joking.

I think. That a lot of the times you personally tell your own story. You’re I don’t think that when I look at your tech [00:26:00] talks, I don’t think, oh man, this, you know, this tech talkers just ripping off the Appalachia story. I see it as you advancing your own story, and I think you should make money on your own story, Danielle, I really do.

I think that you should be one of the more successful tick talkers and just have money rolling in because of money rolls in for you. That means money’s rolling in. For Kentucky and for Mingo cab

Chuck Corra: economic impact

Big John Isner: economic impact that small business goes to a big business. We’ve got employees. Boom. But anyway I, I do commend.

I do commend you for that, but I, I, I personally think that you should be making money from it. There are

Danielle Kirk: some people who’ve asked me. They’re like, when are you going to do March? And I’m like, listen, I don’t have time to do murder. So I don’t even know what I don’t know.

Big John Isner: Oh, here, if you want to do merge our partners at T public we’ll partner with you.

And they’ll do all the work. I I’ll tell you that right now. We’ll get you set up. All you do is upload [00:27:00] designs. Boom. People are buying your merge. It’s that simple.

Chuck Corra: And we people buy ours. We’re where we’re considered professional designers. When we we basically screw around on maybe Microsoft paint. I don’t know.

True.

Big John Isner: You’ve got to be better than we are. So anyway. Yeah.

Chuck Corra: I think my dog is making a guest appearance in the background. Let’s see,

Big John Isner: big dog.

Chuck Corra: She hasn’t, she has not farted yet. And that is normally a problem. That’s

Big John Isner: true.

Chuck Corra: She knows. I’m talking about her too. Yeah. I have a question. So I thought what you mentioned earlier about.

Probing people with why? Like, why is West Virginia so poor? Why is Appalachia so poor? Why is it considered this sort of destitute place? I think is a really, really smart framing for that. And this is a criticism. I have a lot of social media maybe set Tik TOK aside from this, because I think it allows for a little more nuanced conversation, but like things like Twitter and Instagram and Facebook, you know, you, [00:28:00] you, you really just scratch the surface of things like, oh, West Virginia is poor, like, like follow follow, you know, but you don’t get into the, the meaty subject of like, why, why is there systemic poverty in Appalachia?

Why, why is coal the main. Like economic resource, even though it has been phasing out for years, that type of thing. And so I’m kind of wondering, like, how did you, I mean, that’s not the best way of framing it, but like what compelled you to go further with that? I mean, because obviously, like there’s a lot of people in Appalachia who have the same feelings, but, but they’re maybe not like getting out and voicing it directly.

I mean, what, what compelled you to feel like I need to be a voice on.

Danielle Kirk: Why did I want to know why or why did I feel like I needed to explain why second one? Because I feel like a lot of Appalachians don’t even know why, and if we don’t know why, then we can’t fix it. And you know, like you were saying, people do know[00:29:00] they’re just not as vocal or they don’t know.

And they don’t know what to be vocal about. If you boost that. I guess like morale and people are able to defend themselves in a way that can be communicated, then they will. And so I guess, like, that’s kind of why I felt lack like my dad. He has, you know, a lot of the same opinions about things that I do, but he still doesn’t understand like he does now because I’ve, you know, we have open conversations about certain things, but it’s like he still, for a while, didn’t really understand how complex.

Certain things really can be like the need to keep everything else out was so that the same people who had power [00:30:00] could maintain power in West Virginia. And so coal could be the end, all be all for generation after generation. And I’m like, you know, this is kind of your fault because. You didn’t vote when I was growing and now like surprise, you know why?

And you’re going to go do something about it. So I think it’s just, you know, I just, I wanted other people to know why, but I wanted our people to know why, like, why, why it is because growing up, I always wondered. I’m like, why don’t we have anything here? Like, why is this. Y, you know, wise are for our young men growing up here.

The only thing that they can do is join the military, leave or go to the mines. Like why is that the only way that’s not how it is in other places? Why is it like that here? And I think once you can break that [00:31:00] down and explain it. To literally everyone, then you can maybe get changed from.

Chuck Corra: Yeah. And you know, you said that like, these are the only things you can do here though.

I’m pretty sure like verbatim, those are the same things that they laid out in October sky, because they were forced to watch that several times growing up. And that was from like the sixties or seventies. So clearly things haven’t changed much. I’m just kinda curious, like, because you grew up in Mingo county where you were, you taught in school about the battle of Blair mountain or anything like that because we definitely weren’t.

Danielle Kirk: And the only reason I know about that, here’s a fun fact. My stepmother’s grandpa was Nimrod Workman. So that was like a huge, you know, whenever I learned that I was like, oh, dang. You know? And so that’s where a lot of my knowledge from that comes from, you know my, my dad’s dad was a coal mine.[00:32:00] His dad was a coma.

It’s like, literally can be traced back. And so when I was growing up, this is one thing I can say about my dad. He did not ever try to make my opinions the same as he is. You know, he would not, he’s not one of those ABAC this way. So you have to, or, you know, it was more of a. You know, this is what I want. I just want you to be a good person and you do what you think is best all across the board.

And so that allowed me to be more comfortable to ask questions about certain things. And then when my stepmom starts talking to me about this, I’m like, dang, like we were really bad. Why didn’t nobody tell us, like, why it, how do you live in Mingo county? And they don’t even teach you this. You literally live in Mingo county and they don’t teach you about.

Big John Isner: Yeah, shame. Well, I mean, plus we have an entire [00:33:00] education system in West Virginia where you have to take a West Virginia history scores and they still miss the biggest parts of it. But Hey, you do know all 55 counties. I bet. So

Chuck Corra: that’s good. Oh, I was going to say, I know all the county, I used to know all the county seats.

No, all of

Danielle Kirk: them county and the smallest county. Yeah. Yeah. They teach

Big John Isner: the right stuff. I’ll tell you that. All right. Well, So you have a small business now you’re you’re, you’re definitely West Virginia and Appalachia famous on Tik TOK. What does the future hold for Danielle now? I mean, what, what are the goals or what do you see yourself doing?

Moving forward?

Danielle Kirk: I know I like people telling me all the time. They’re like, you need to move back across the river and run for office. And I’m like, no, because. I’m stuck in Kentucky for now. Like I’ll say trader. Okay.

Big John Isner: And someone who ran for office, I don’t [00:34:00] recommend it. I

Danielle Kirk: think that I’m cut out for that lab.

Like I really, I mean, My husband, he gets onto me all the time. He’s like, you shouldn’t say that about Mitch McConnell never ran for office. If you wanted to, because they would pull all your Facebook posts up and I’m like, you know, I’m never going to anyways. Like I think the changes that have to be made here, I have to start on a local level because there’s just way too much corruption.

Once you get past. You know, you’re really local levels. It just becomes like it’s too messy. So that’s definitely not something I would love to maybe like short term. This is like a short term goal, I guess. Like, I would love to go door to door for Charles Booker next year. I wish he would get out here.

Now I can, you know, I could do the work and start early and not look like I’m coming in at the T you know, like [00:35:00] he’s coming in at the tail and trying to. Just get votes. Like I would love, I would love that I would, you know,

Chuck Corra: I was going to

Big John Isner: say, we can, we can, we can hook you up with this people. We’ve had them on the

Danielle Kirk: show.

I mean, I see it like seriously, I have commented on it, space that plus I’m like, okay, you’re telling us what you’re going to do for us. But we’re out here in Eastern Kentucky and I am begging you. What can we do for you? How can we help? Go online and sign up to rent a phone. I’m like, I don’t have cell phone service at my house.

What else can I do? Hi.

Big John Isner: And you know what? That, that actually annoys the piss out of me too, because when Charles Booker was on this show, that was the stuff where I was. That’s the number one thing your campaign shouldn’t do is these almost bought like responses where it’s like sign up for my website or donate to my campaign.

Like give people real objectives on how they can help in your campaign that makes them have some type of [00:36:00] worth, and it makes them buy into the entire campaign. So not only do they want to help you win, but they’ll do everything in their community. To get you another vote and that, and, and so to hear that makes me realize that he’s missing the boat a little bit.

And to be quite honest, he can’t miss the boat at all, or he doesn’t win. I mean, he has to, he has to run a perfect campaign. So to hear that makes me a little worried,

Danielle Kirk: Have seen people share his stuff. Like I haven’t Facebook, you know, I’ve seen. I go and I read the comments and I say, what people like, I know he doesn’t have time.

He’s one person. And he has a team of people who were trying to help him, but I’m like, you cannot win a Senate race in Kentucky without. From Eastern Kentucky, it’s just not going to happen. And if people don’t know you and all they see are like Facebook ads and things [00:37:00] that’s being shared on Facebook by people they know they’re, they’re not going to relate to you at all.

Is his platform and his ideas, something that is needed in Kentucky. Yes, they are. They are desperately needed here, but if people don’t know what he’s running on, And I’m scared.

Big John Isner: They’re going to look at the letter next to his name and they’re going to vote opposite. I mean, that’s just, that’s, that’s the way politics is.

And that’s the sidebar. Well, hopefully, hopefully we can get, we can get Charles on the right track. We can get them linked up with you and then, you know, you can help them. Cause I guarantee you, we go look at his staff and maybe he’s missing. A person who knows a lot about Eastern Kentucky.

Chuck Corra: I do think I agree with you.

I mean, it’s, it’s, you know, Eastern Kentucky is such an important part of the state and one that like, you have to make inroads and if you’re ever going to be competitive and, and like, look, Charles Booker has. [00:38:00] It’s an uphill battle to say the least, but I mean, he’s a candidate who, who can, who can really, I think, turn people out and be a transformative candidate, whether or not he can win, you know, TBD.

But I mean, he’s an important figure for sure.

Danielle Kirk: Four counties that I think he could, if he got out here, I think he could do really good. And pat county is one of them. Boyd county is another, it sits right along the Ohio river. And they were like, full-blown Amy McGrath. And then Floyd county and Jeez.

There’s one more. I forgot Johnson county. I think that those four counties he could do pretty good in, but I’m like he needs to be out here. I tried to get him in like messaging on his Facebook when we had those floods. I’m like, Mitch McConnell. Hasn’t been here Ram. Paul. Hasn’t been here. Get your bed out here.

Get out here [00:39:00] now. Like your senators aren’t even here. I’m not even in office and I’m here for you. Like, you know, there’s a lot. I think we see that they should or could be doing different. And it’s like, how are you missing this? You know, like ha this nice opportunity, you know? And I, I honestly I’m like, please get out here before next year, because if you wait until next year, people are gonna feel like you ignored them the entire time until the end.

And they will forget about you because they also feel forgotten. And I just.

Chuck Corra: No,

Big John Isner: no you’re fired up on that one. We got Daniel fired up. We’re going to,

Chuck Corra: we’re going to do is we’re going to cut this clip and we’re just gonna keep tweeting it out, then.

Big John Isner: That’s exactly what we’re gonna do. And, and, and if you, if our listeners, if you like what Danielle is doing right now, go check out her Tik TOK, Danielle, where can people find you on Tik [00:40:00] TOK?

Oh, okay.

Danielle Kirk: Danielle Kirk 7 3 1 is,

Big John Isner: well, that’s easy. That’s easy enough. And, oh, and what about your, you said you have a small business. How can people learn more about your business? Oh,

Danielle Kirk: it’s I think it’s linked on my take talk, so it shouldn’t be that hard to find, but it’s like my Instagram and my site page and all that stuff should all be on my take too.

I’ll make.

Chuck Corra: And I’ll put it in the show notes too. Okay.

Big John Isner: All right. Well, I think that’s, that is all the questions I have because we, you know, we got on a tangent even about Charles Booker, which is, which is far more than I thought we were going to get on this episode. So I do appreciate you spending the time with us.

I know you’re super busy. I know you’ve got two kids sitting at home trying to get snacks, so we’ll let you go. We’ll let you go and handle that. But we do really appreciate you coming on. [00:41:00] All right. Thank

Danielle Kirk: you guys, banks.

There’s company we’d better get some biscuits in the oven.

Chuck Corra: All right. That was our interview with Danielle Kirk a really great Appalachia and a person who has figured out how to use a platform like Tik TOK to communicate to the world about Appalachia in a place that is desperately needed. So that was a really, really cool interview.

And we hope to have her back on very soon. But with that being said, let’s get into the last segment, the beef beef with big John, the comm, the mark Zuckerberg of beef because of beef or democracy, he’d be holding it in the Palm of his hand, smashing into the proverbial ground over and over and over again.

Violating every known law and regulation known to man and ones that don’t exist. Any more beef with big John, [00:42:00]

Big John Isner: if you bothered by back about the drill, a boy, big Johnston Fisher

Danielle Kirk: brother rules. That’s big deal. Got your mouthful, but it don’t matter. Still

Big John Isner: y’all want some D for big John, but at the same time, don’t you be for big John trying to be.

When his time open up. Why this guy before big John Egypt, before John, this week’s been pretty simple. I keep seeing on Twitter and on Facebook and every other social media platform. And I think I’ve done it, a beef similar to this, but I think it needs to be talked about again. If you are living somewhere and you see a Senator or congressional member member of the house saying something, and they’re the representative of another state, please know that they are saying things that should reflect how they feel and not always how the entire state feels because everyone.

Kind of laying in to places like West [00:43:00] Virginia, for instance, because they disagree with what Joe Manchin says. Yes. Joe Manchin one in West Virginia. No, that does not mean that he speaks for every West Virginia or the entire state. This continues to happen. Chuck. I mean, it always like, for instance, people want to say like, Kentucky is exactly like Ram Paul or Mitch McConnell.

That’s not always true. And it becomes so annoying that we have to remind people. That there are so many unique people in these places.

Chuck Corra: Social media is. A toxic place sometimes because it is, and I find this a lot on Twitter. It’s incapable of complex thought you put out, like people put out like a simple tweet, like, Ugh, fuck West Virginia, because of Jim mansion.

And there’s no nuance, there’s no complexity to it. When in fact the human experience is incredibly complex and there’s a lot of people, in fact many who don’t feel that way in West Virginia. And there certainly [00:44:00] are a lot to do. It’s really annoying because I feel like we, we miss a lot of that when we just speak in absolutes all the time.

And I mean, I’m guilty of it, but I’ve been, I’ve been beating this drum for a long time of trying to say, like, let’s not speak in absolutes. Let’s look at the complexities of both Appalachia and just places in.

Big John Isner: Yeah. And I mean, Appalachians are guilty of it too. Let’s not, let’s not be wrong about this.

Right? Like, so for instance, everybody thinks that since Nancy Pelosi represents part of California, that all of California thinks like Nancy Pelosi and that’s not true either. Everybody wants to say like that, like New York AOC speaks for all of New York. That’s not true. It’s those types of things that we, as we, as people need to stop your rights, begin absolutes.

It’s harming our entire society and it’s making us hate people who probably have so much more in common with us than we could imagine. So this week’s beef, super simple, super short stop using [00:45:00] absolutes to divine a group of people simply by their member of Congress.

Chuck Corra: Yeah. Or anything really? Any, any preconceived notion?

I mean, and that’s, I look put that on our fucking gravestone because that’s what we’ve been saying this whole time. I mean, from episode one, with dark waters, which had some some attention recently from John Oliver. Thank

Big John Isner: you. Yeah. Why didn’t John over mention us.

Chuck Corra: I was disappointed about that too.

Look, I get it. You know, you got to fit a lot into an hour long show, but you could have fit us into that. Although here’s my theory. We did unpublish that episode.

Big John Isner: Yeah, the audio was so bad.

Chuck Corra: Well, the audio was bad and the content wasn’t right. I scripted a lot of it. I confess anyway. That’s a good beef.

That’s a very worthy beef and it’s one that honestly, you know, think about it. It’s evergreen. So you can take this beef and you can actually put it in the freezer, metaphorically [00:46:00] speaking. And you can pull it out in about a year and I’ll still be fresh. Like that. There you go. Whoa. Living metaphor there.

Anyway. Thank y’all so much for listening. We’ll be back next week with more iPod latches. Thank you all. And good nights

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