The Assault on Voting Rights in Appalachia


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Chuck and Big John discuss the new bills throughout Appalachia that seek to restrict voting rights and voter access. There are hundreds of bills making their way through state legislatures throughout the country that seek to limit and impede voting – primarily targeting poor people and people of color.  We discuss them and talk generally about the fundamental right to vote.

Intro – Hamilton and Anti-maskers

Chuck: You were driving to Columbus. And what was put on the radio? 

Big John: Hamilton, the entire soundtrack. 

Chuck: You can’t listen that the Columbus is not a long enough trip for the whole thing though. Right? 

Big John: But you got to come back to 

Chuck: that’s the only four hours though. It’s like what? Like six or eight, right? 

Big John: No. I said no, no, no, not with, uh, not with just the music.

It’s like 20, it’s like 22 songs or something like that. It’s not anything massive. Um, but like, uh, there in back you could listen to the whole thing. Damn. And I’m not gonna lie. I liked the music. It’s not that I don’t like it. It’s great. Uh, but my wife is one of those people who can listen to. Anything over and over and over again.

But my ADHD doesn’t allow me to do that because like, all I want to do is like click through things or I want to like find it, my big, my big kick has been, um, getting really mad because I can’t find like old songs that I listened to in high school. Cause I can’t remember the names of them. And um, you know, I like go on Spotify and try and find playlist that include them and they may not even exist.

Like it, it could be the Mandela effect. They, they just may not be real. 

Chuck: But do you remember any like the lyrics from any of these 

Big John: songs? I believe I do, but then when I say like, whenever I asked somebody about them, they, they think I’m going nuts. 

Chuck: You may be, but I’ve been there before too. I don’t have the time.

Big John: Yeah. I mean, and that’s the thing and I can’t even, uh, I can’t even remember having cause it’s so I mean, what it’s now almost 11 years ago that I, that I graduated from high school. So 

Chuck: that is, that, that to me is all two thousand era country because my mom was, so my dad would listen to froggy 99, which is country station Parkersburg.

My mom listened to mix 100, which has oldies any country. I know like almost exclusively any country music I know came from that era just because I wouldn’t be riding in the car with them, which is a good country. I mean, you had, you had Garth Brooks, you had Gretchen Wilson. It was a big one back then.


Big John: you had Dixie chicks, not just the chicks. Well, as there are no 

Chuck: now. Well, they kind of got canceled around that time. They got 

Big John: canceled because of 

Chuck: unfair, 

Big John: bullshit. Talking about talking about Jordan w because 

Chuck: of tow Toby Keith is Y Mr. Red solo cup 

Big John: red. So, okay. I don’t want to get, I don’t want to get, uh, claimed on here.

Uh, that’s 

Chuck: that’s an original, uh, that’s a derivative work, right? 

Big John: No, I was going to say the words to the song and that’s still fine. Oh, okay. Uh, I’m not going to do it though, but, um, I thought about this the other day, now that we’re talking about songs and maybe 

Chuck: bastard orphan son of a whore. 

Big John: Sorry, go ahead, please.

Stop. Cause that sucks. It gets stuck in my head very quickly. Oh, actually it’s it said like three or four times in different songs. So it could be any song now. Um, I was thinking the other day, cause I watched, uh, I watched a guy today get really mad at a flea market. Right? Cause he wouldn’t want, he didn’t want to put his mask on.

Uh, it really upset him for some reason. He claimed to have health issues, but here’s the best part. So he’s getting into it with the employee. Uh, and as he walks out, he pulls a mask out of his left pocket as if it had obviously had been there the whole time. And he had worn a mask. At some point he didn’t have health problems.

He’s just a Dick. And that 

Chuck: one could argue that being a Dick is a health problem. 

Big John: Well, that’s true. Uh, that, that could be true, but it started to make me think, cause he was like in the, you know, the boomer age type thing. I started to think about something. People like, like boomers when they get mad.

They’ll do what that guy did, right? Like they’ll scream, like shove it up your ass, which is exactly what he said. Cause they just, you know, they’re, they’re just so short tempered, 

Chuck: pause you for a second. The irony of him pulling the mask out of his back pocket. After he started to shove something up, his ass is just 

Big John: great.

That’s a good point. I didn’t think about that. That is very fair. But then I started to think, okay. Um, what would a Mo like, what do millennials do when these things happen? Like, obviously this isn’t for everybody, because there are some terrible millennials out there I’ve seen it, you know, obviously we’ve seen the videos and stuff, but like when boomers get mad, like they’ll go online and, and type in all caps that they’re upset or they’ll just scream at people when millennials get mad.

I, I just feel like everybody walks to their car and listens to dashboard confessional. It’s like a tone. It’s like a totally different thing at like, you know, they’re, they’re sitting there screaming at people and, um, you know, I’m, I’m trying to calm myself down through with Hootie and the Blowfish 

Chuck: listening to hands down.

That’s uh, yeah. Um, yeah, I think that’s probably fair. Uh, I think that being a digital native generation is helpful because as boomers grow older and we’ve got some boomers that listened to us and they’re not all bad. So I want to 

Big John: clarify that that’s not what I’m saying. I’m just, I I’m obviously stereotyping a whole segment, which is, uh, uh, pretty much the opposite of what the show stands for, but I just 

Chuck: thought it was some, some stereotypes are born out of accuracy.

Big John: Hmm. That really is. But still, I just, I just think it’s funny because, um, The good thing about boomers is like, they are always willing to, um, kind of face problems head on, which I think millennials have an issue with all the time. I think we always try to kind of scapegoat or problems or sometimes even blame others for our problems.

I think that that’s kind of our generation, unfortunately at times. Uh, but they, you know, they go head on, but sometimes they go too hard is kind of my point. So like while they’re, uh, facing issues, head on where, you know, in the car sobbing to Adele, like it’s just a big generational day difference. 

Chuck: I would say, speak for yourself.

Cause I can solve a lot of problems while listening to a Dell. 

Big John: Okay. I mean, I didn’t say you couldn’t solve the problems. I just said that you’ll walk away from right. Wishing

Big John: Okay. Well I stand corrected. 

Chuck: That’s right. I’m checking you on your stereotypes.

It’s what the, show’s all about. Uh, yeah, I mean, I think that’s probably there there’s some, there’s some accuracy there. I’d say, see, I have not really witnessed many anti or events, I think probably because of where I live, but it is kind of funny to see people make those claims because I would just be willing to bet that probably 99% of people would say they have a health problem.

Don’t there was this video that went around and I think it was like a kid with asthma put on a, I want to say it was like a hundred masks and ran a 5k or something to prove the, you could still wear a mask with all that. And 

Big John: not to mention if you do have health problems, why are you out? 

Chuck: Yeah, that’s the, that’s the solution, 

Big John: that’s it?

I’m so sick of people who are like, well, if you don’t, you know, if you want to, if you, if you’re so afraid, stay home. Well, how about this? If you have a health problem and you can’t wear a mask, stay home. There you go, it works both ways. It’s insane. And I, I, unfortunately in my area, I hear this a lot. Uh, you know, I, I see people all the time who, uh, they make sure that, you know, they’re not wearing a mask like in the store and stuff, you know, they posted on Facebook and Twitter because they think it’s really cool because around here it’s, it is really cool.

It’s like, you know, the, the fun thing to do, because, you know, that’s what unfortunately views are around here right now. Uh, but then I go to places like Columbus, like we were talking about earlier and everybody’s wearing a mask and it’s not a problem. You know, it, it just, it blows my mind how quickly two hours can change things.


Chuck: so funny, but not funny, not like ha ha funny, but. It’s so dumb to think that that’s something that is a badge of pride for people. This is kind of a disgusting equivalent and I don’t care. I’ve made other comparisons like this before, but this is, this is like having an infected scab and peeling the scab off and then taking a selfie.

If you like rubbing it over the table at a, at a windies being like, yeah, fuck the system. It’s gross. That’s what it, what it’s become because now masks are political. 

Big John: Yeah. I mean, it’s, they’re not by the way, but, but they’ve been made into a political weapon as well. You know, they’ve been weaponized by politicians then, and that’s what I hate about this.

Chuck: don’t, it’s not politicians. They’re really, that’s doing it. It’s like right-wing media heads that are doing it. Like Charlie Kirk’s of the world. It’s less the politics. I know that they’re, they’re not doing much to stop it. And a lot of them are reinforcing it, but I think the biggest problem is those people that are actually the ones that regular people are listening to.

Big John: No, I, I could see that too. I mean, uh, it’s definitely them, but you would think as a, as a politician or as somebody MTG is a really good example, right? Like she. Make sure that it’s like always in your face like that she doesn’t want to wear a mask or that she’s not wearing a mask. Uh, it’s just blowing my mind.

Like back in the day we had politicians who like, who spoke out against that stuff and, and would, it would simmer things down, but now politicians just love the attention. So they, they run into the burning building 

Chuck: too. I know that Marjorie Taylor green and the Lauren Bobar to the world essentially use their elected office as a way to boost their followers on Twitter, Ted Cruz.

Yeah. That’s I mean, like I get it. I 

Big John: get I’m saying make an entire list of the current congressional members. I’m just saying, 

Chuck: I’m just saying that there’s a, I’m not defending them by any means. I’m just saying, I think the bigger problem is, is the, the like fringe media rather than the politicians themselves.

Yeah, it could be. I’m not saying that they’re not a problem. Yeah, I get it. But. I just know that, that there’s a lot of people that couldn’t give a shit about the politicians in Congress, but they’ll listen to Seb Gorka or, or Dinesh D’Souza. And I said both of those names specifically, because J D Vance did interviews with both of them recently.

Of course not. I talked about JD Vance, but just wanted to throw that out there. Yeah. That guy, Mr. Man. Of the people and the people, speaking of men of the people and women and gender Don binary of the people, John we’ve got new 

Big John: patients. All right. So we have, uh, five new Patriot members. We’re very, very thankful to have each and every one of these people join the community is what I like to call it.

The Patrion community. And that is, I called the empire empire. Okay. That could work too. Uh that’s uh, max, Kevin, Trish, Sam, and Tanya, or Tanya, I don’t know. 

Chuck: If it’s a Gretchen, if it’s a Gretchen Wilson pronunciation, Tanya Tucker, 

Big John: right? Like that, that’s where, so look, I love the name either way and you can, you can message us and let us know the exact pronunciation.

And I’ll even say it again next week to clarify, because I don’t think it’s right. If we’re not saying people’s names correctly. Uh, so if you, if we ever mispronounce it, let us 

Chuck: let us know, let us know. And part of the there’s been 

Big John: it’s sounds like you’re saying, let it snow, 

Chuck: let it snow. And part of this benefits include a weekly exclusive bonus segment

Chuck: We’re uh, we’re just here to clothe you. It’s all we’re doing. 

Big John: That’s what this has become. I mean, even our $500 joking one 

Chuck: that’s, uh, we’re we’re um, good Samaritans.

We, we give, give the people. 

Big John: Look, I just want to become the Appalachian FUBU. That’s really all I want. I loved FUBU growing up. 

Chuck: Loved it. Well, there you have it. Join and help John’s dream come true. Help me get on shark tank, shark tank, TV show. Moving on though. Um, you never know, would be, look, I like to clarify things that are said because there might be somebody listening out there that thinks you want to literally get into 

Big John: an actual shark tank.

Yeah. That person doesn’t know me. 

Discussion on voting rights and voter suppression

Chuck: Well. So speaking of knowing John, well, boy, do we have a real banger today? Um, by that, I mean, not, I don’t know. I don’t know what we have today. We’re gonna be talking about voting and specifically what some States are doing to try to prevent you from doing it, this, and by you.

Targeting people of color. And Appalachia, sadly, John voting fundamental important. What a, how hard is it to vote in West Virginia? Do you 


Big John: We do. Uh, we do have some issues when it comes to the amount of polling places. Especially we had a lot of issues in the primary because they, they consolidated a lot of voting areas into one.

So you were waiting like three hours to vote, which I know is not a lot for some areas, but it is for West Virginia. And it’s really hard because you’re consolidating it to where, um, rural individuals have to come all the way into a town that, you know, they don’t normally come to. But besides that, the general was, I think pretty easy in terms of, for me.

I don’t know if other people had issues, 

Chuck: Tennessee. I mean, it was easy for me because I can get a license and. Everything, but have voter ID requirements there. Um, the thing is, and I think you would probably agree with this, my opinion is that it should be really easy to vote because it is a very simple, fundamental, right.

That, um, isn’t numerate in the constitution. It is right. 

Big John: No right to vote. Yeah, 

Chuck: Yes. White, rich, white landowning males.

Yeah. Then eventually it trickled down to other people, but yes, um, very important. And you know, the thing that has been going on for a long time and this, this is true and I’m not trying to be overly partisan here, but the Republican party has been pushing. Restrictions to voting rights, voting, access, voting ability, and availability for a really long time and has been very successful at it in a number of States.

And you look at places like Tennessee, for example, which, um, you know, used to be a democratic state. Uh, now it’s not, but the more important thing is I think this was in 20, maybe 18 or 17, and it hasn’t changed much since they were, they were 50th, uh, in the United States for voter turnout, which is horrible.

And it’s because a lot of people couldn’t vote, um, for a number of reasons we’ll get into, um, John, I wanted to go through real quick and just, uh, um, talk about. A little bit of specificity, but not a ton. Some of the current bills that are being proposed right now in Appalachian States that deal with restrictions on voting.

And these are from everywhere from Mississippi to South Carolina, to Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Georgia, but primarily Georgia, Alabama, Virginia. So on limiting who can vote by mail, stricter voter ID laws, cutting voter registration opportunities, more aggressive voter, purging, limiting the amount of places that you can vote and limiting the timeframe.

So you can vote. I want you to tell me, John, any of those, you can pick any one that you want. What is the purpose of that and European? Well, 

Big John: I think so one of the ones that I think stands out for me, because it it’s just one of the most annoying ones is this idea of limiting who can vote by mail. Um, W we’ve we’ve established at this entire country that voting by mail is a fundamental right that people have because the ability to get to one place or the other to vote is really hard.

We haven’t made election day, a federal holiday people don’t get off work just to go vote. So the ability to vote by mail is, is a really, really great thing. But if you do this, you’re targeting people who are lower socioeconomic status, who have to work all the time, who are, who are normally paid hourly, who can’t leave and go vote, uh, which tends to be more on the minority status.

They know who they’re targeting with these bills. And the funny thing is, or I guess I shouldn’t say funny, the sad thing is in Georgia, for instance, The voting by mail law was implemented by Republicans in 2005. It’s not a democratic law. It said it was a Republican law in that state. And now they want to, they want to pull it because they lost it.

It, it blows my mind that this continues to kinda, uh, get pushed. And this, the worrisome thing is this, isn’t the only state that’s going to do this. There there’s going to be multiple States. West Virginia is going to be one of them. I’m calling it now that are going to bring this up and, and start, you know, trying to, to save their elections as they’ll say.

Chuck: Yeah. And the point you brought up about built by mail and how Republicans used to champion it up until this past election is generally speaking. Their demographic of voters were the ones that took advantage of vote by mail. It was often people who were older, um, generally voted more conservative.

Now, as we saw with, uh, with Georgia, Arizona, but specifically just throughout the country, is that a lot of people took advantage of it because it’s easier, it’s way more convenient. So you have a lot of people like you mentioned, who can’t afford to take time off work, often lower wage-earning people tend to vote Democrat who with the opportunity given to them to vote by mail was a good one.

Some of those restrictions, I’m not sure about Georgia specifically, but it was some of the limitations around the country are like for people who, what was it like they had health conditions and they couldn’t go out and vote or something like that.

Big John: and George’s change what they’re doing is they’re changing it to 65 and older can vote by mail.

If you have a disability, or if you can show proof that you won’t be available on election day, W w who like this is insane. 

Chuck: Here’s my work schedule. Like what, what are you? What’s even an applicable proof. 

Big John: It, well, you have to show that you’re not going to be in the area. They made sure to define it, that you’re not going to be in the area when election day comes.

Now that you’re going to be at work or anything like that, they know exactly who they’re 

Chuck: targeting. So, John, I’ve got a quiz for you. Um, there are currently 165 bills in 33 States that deal with restricting voter access. The top three. I want you to try to guess the top three States I’ll give you a hint.

Two of them are Appalachian States and one of them that is not an Appalachian state flipped. 

Big John: Okay. All right. Well, we already talked about one that I would guess, and that’s Georgia. 

Chuck: Georgia. That is correct. Georgia is in third with 11. Okay. 

Big John: So, so not a ma they’re not massive amounts, so, okay. Um, so a lot, right.

I’m saying like, there’s not, there’s not somebody out there that has 60 bills, you know? Um, let’s see, said Georgia, you said, um, I’m going to go. Um, I’m thinking, since you said flipped blue, I’m going to go with John McCain’s old stomping grounds, 

Chuck: Arizona. That’s correct. Arizona comes in first with 19 restricted bills.

That is a law. And I’ll give you a head. I know this, this, this third one was a little bit harder. That third one third state it’s in second place. 14 restricted bills. It is an Appalachian state 

Big John: incorrectly. Okay. I’m going to go with my first choice. And this was really actually what I was going to guess, Tennessee.

Okay. I was never going to guess anything else. 

Chuck: Tennessee. In fact, according to the Brennan center, doesn’t have really, which I find shocking. And I need to check on that, but the second one, this is a little disappointing. Pennsylvania. Oh, 

Big John: okay. Well, 

Chuck: I got a crazy legislature though. I think. 

Big John: Yeah. I mean, they’re kicking, they’re kicking people out and lifting the legislature, refusing to put people in office, 

Chuck: former guests out of the 

Big John: legislature.

Now I, yeah, I did send a letter to Senator Brown, just warning him that, you know, our guests do. They do have a history of getting kicked out. So I just wanted him. I wanted him to be careful on the Senate 

Chuck: floor. That’s why I was like, listen, if you. They all lose in 2022. I mean, you might get kicked out. I don’t know 

Big John: where we’re going to have to keep record of that too.

Like people who have come on the show, we’re gonna have to keep record of win-loss records because if they win, it was obviously us. Right. And if they, if they lose, we have to think of an excuse. 

Chuck: Yeah. We’ve got some time, uh, at least a Fetterman’s elections, not until 2022. So 

Big John: we also learned today that Charles Booker is going to be running against or thinking about running against Rand Paul in 2022 

Chuck: strongly considering.

And he is a former guest on this show. Last 

Big John: one, just, sorry, I’m just going to call it. He’s running. Anytime someone says strongly considering they run. Yeah. 

Chuck: Yeah. I mean, yeah, I’d say so. . 

Big John: We’ll talk one day about, you know, obviously where we are or where we think’s going to happen in those races. But I do think that he’s gonna, he’s gonna pull the trigger and run.

And I think he sh I mean, you know, he’s gotten momentum. 

Chuck: He does, and he’s got, um, he’s got a hell of a, uh, platform hell of a, a personality that can really bring people in. I think so I think it’ll be interesting to see him and let’s not, 

Big John: let’s not forget. Only one of the people in that race has been on app OD Lasha 

Chuck: that, you know, that’s a strong argument you make.

Um, and that 

Big John: if I I’m, I’m gonna let, I’m gonna let him know that he can, uh, that he should put that on mailers, because if you’re not, I mean, what are you 

Chuck: doing? Well, I think to be fair, formerly have to say, Dr. Rand, Paul, you have a formal invitation to join iPod lecture. Come on in now. Now he can put it on the mailers, 

Big John: right?

Because now we’ve invited his opponent. Yeah. Do you think, do you think Rand, Paul’s going to show Dr. Ram. Paul’s going to show up? 

Chuck: Uh, no, 

Big John: no, I don’t. I hope he does. I’d like to do I look, I ran Paul and I don’t, don’t see eye to eye on a lot of things, but I will say he’s a, he’s an interesting 

Chuck: character. I mean, I’ll talk to any, well, let me just not say that I won’t talk to Nazis, but, um, I look, we’re not against having Republicans on, in fact we want to have them on to talk to them.

That being said, I just don’t hold out a lot of hope that he would do. I never say never. That’s a, that’s what Justin Bieber always taught me. So all right. We put it out there. It’s in the world and we’ll see what happens. Um, lost the thread a little bit here, so bring it back. But, um, it was, I’m glad that we mentioned that though, because that was a big announcement from him.

Very exciting stuff too. So I hope that he does in fact go forward with it. So, John, we mentioned Pennsylvania and I haven’t gotten into too much with Pennsylvania. Cause what I really wanted to focus on was Georgia, but, um, Pennsylvania and Georgia too. In fact, let me just rewind a little bit. All three of those States technically flipped blue presidential election because Pennsylvania had gone for Donald Trump in 2016.

So make no mistake that it is new coincidence, at least in my mind at all, this is happening because I mean, all those States, all three of them, I believe greatly expanded their, uh, vote by mail efforts and. Pennsylvania. And Georgia specifically were scrutinized by the president, the then president Trump, uh, because of, you know, he thought that there was some fraud, there was not it’s, it’s been noted several times in many publications and many independent reviews that there was no fraud.

But that, to me, it, I don’t, I don’t understand how this is not getting more attention, honestly, I don’t because so, so much of this is going to sound so preachy. And so like, like policy one, Oh, one of me, but so much of the fabric of our democracy or whatever you want to call it, that hinges on voting. Yes, it does.

It really does. And you, you know, there’s so many criticisms and go around about that, but it does. And the fact that. There are these legislatures who are doing this, make no mistake to suppress the vote of people who tend to vote Democrat, many of which are people of color, low income people simply to tip the scales to their advantage.

Electorally that’s. I mean, that look, I mean, feel free to question that, but that’s, that’s how I see it anyway.

Big John: Yeah. I, you know, it’s so obviously, um, I, I, I want to be a fair, Oh, sorry. Fair in discussing, um, both parties when it comes to these things. Obviously right now, we’re focused on what the Republicans are doing throughout the state legislatures. But I wrote, I read an interesting article while prepping for this, that I think, uh, Most people don’t think about when it comes to Democrats and, uh, the bill, the bills that they’re, they’ve been pushing since like 2009 ish and that’s to separate elections, which I didn’t think was a big deal.

So what I mean by that is, uh, moving elections from, uh, a off year to another year. What’s wrong. 

Chuck: Um, so from, from an off year to another year, can you explain you mean by that? 

Big John: Okay. So I guess I should make it to where it’s like, um, So 2008, right? For instance, the president Barack Obama ran and obviously Democrats wanted to consolidate that year, but that’s not always the way it is.

So let’s say you had an election in 2020, and in West Virginia Supreme court justices, right? Let’s say they’re running in 2020 when you consolidate things in elections. Um, and you have more things on the ballot. More people show up to vote, but if you separate things out, less people show up to vote because they are not, they’re not as interested in voting for whatever’s on that ballot.

Right. Democrats, there are notorious for passing or at least trying to pass bills that, that in consolidation, they’re trying to push things out because they want less voter turnout on that because they tend to be Republicans. And I didn’t know that five 38 did an article on it. It was, it was really interesting.

Chuck: That’s interesting because normally higher turnout yields more positive results for Democrats. 

Big John: And that’s what I thought too. That’s. That’s where I 

Chuck: was like,  okay. That’s the conventional wisdom. I don’t have any real data to back that up. So maybe I’m 

Big John: wrong. Right? It was based off a book. Uh, I’m trying to think of her name.

I have it, uh, because I thought it was, uh, political scientists, Sarah Anzia. Okay. She, uh, she wrote a book she’s from the university of California, Berkeley. Uh, and she, she discussed it throughout. I mean, I think it’s worth it. It’s worth looking up. It’s uh, it’s pretty cool. 

Chuck: Yeah. So I’m with you on that. I don’t, I think more elections should be consolidated just because of what we just said, where when you have more elections, you, you inherently, you have to take more time off of work.

You have to find a way to get to the voting, to be able to actually physically get there and vote, to know about it, to know about the candidates, everything I’m for more consolidation because I think it just makes it easier for everybody to vote in all the 

Big John: elections.

Right. And I, and you would think that that would be something that the Democrats push, but it’s not those consolidation bills are actually proposed by Republicans and only 25% have passed all due to democratic opposition. 

Chuck: Huh? That’s that’s unfortunate because that’s, that’s another, that to me, that’s another way of suppressing the vote.

Big John: Right. And that’s, and the reason I want to bring that up is because obviously what we’re seeing Republicans do, it’s kind of like in your face voter suppression. Right. But then you start to peel back the onion on what Democrats have done. And you’re like, wait a second. You know, they’re also not this like party of, of, uh, happy-go-lucky voters.

Like they’re trying to do the same. They’re just doing it in a different way. Which blows my mind. Yeah. 

Chuck: I think that now, 

Big John: obviously it’s not, as, it’s not, I want to, it’s not as racially triggered, I don’t think, but it’s still surprised. Right. 

Chuck: And when we, we need to get into that too. Um, I will say that, yeah, overtly, there are much more efforts by Republicans and it’s pretty deliberate and why they want to do it.

Um, but one thing that’s important, I think to mention is the racial background of voter suppression laws in general, almost all of them is that, I mean, th th this goes back to the Jim Crow era, right? Like when, and, um, what is the pull taxing and, um, and literacy tests in order to vote. And that all was targeted primarily at black people, because they didn’t want them to vote.

And so then there’s a nasty history with both parties, but specifically Southern Democrats at the time. Now, granted. Democrat democratic party today, uh, you can argue as much different than Southern Democrats Dixiecrats or whatever you wanna call them back in the sixties, fifties, you know, but th the roots of that are rooted in racism.

And a lot of these laws that seek to, to restrict voting rights and voting access is also rooted in racial tendencies. Because a lot of times, even though it like a lot, doesn’t have to say black people are not allowed to vote in order to have the same effect, I think is the point. You know, you can have a something that says, um, everybody can vote, but you have to go to this one precinct in an affluent white community that you may not even have access to.

You know, um, so stuff like that, but I, and I wanted to touch on one that, that I personally didn’t know about until moving to Tennessee and just was honestly like blown away that this even exists. And it’s not just a Tennessee thing, vote purging, you know, purging it is John. Yep. So, um, actually, did we run into that issue in your camp?

Yeah. Well, why don’t you talk about that real quick then? Uh, If you want, 

Big John: you don’t have to. No, I will. I mean, and, and 20 years 18, we had, um, essentially the secretary of state went down the list of people who had voted within. It was some arbitrary number. I think it was like, uh, two years is what they were saying, which to me is ridiculous.

Um, and essentially, so they would, they would purge people off the list. So you couldn’t go vote because you were no longer technically registered. Uh, and you can’t just show up and get an absentee ballot at that point, because you’re literally not registered. It’s a massive issue and they don’t notify you in time, which we can argue if that’s it.

We can argue if that’s, you know, on purpose or not. Uh, but. You know, we ran into that a lot because the community that I was running in the higher, uh, they were, they were older and it was rural. So a lot of places, it was more difficult to come in and vote at the local high school, which is where it was.

So people wouldn’t come out because, I mean, I’m talking, you know, rural, rural, like, you know, in November it was coming and you may not be able to get to the polls type thing. I think two years before that election. That’s why some people didn’t vote was because it snowed on election day and people couldn’t get out there.

We had a massive amount and, and it allowed the other scary thing that people don’t talk about when it comes to vote. Purging is it also allows secretaries of state to look at boundaries because they’re looking at the actual number of people in each area who haven’t voted, but then they start to look at boundaries and they play with boundaries because that was the other issue that came 

Chuck: up.

When it, when you say boundaries, what do you mean boundaries? 

Big John: District boundaries. So like the definition of, of let’s say the 59th district. Right. And so we had people who, um, who in the primary were in my district. And then in the, sorry, in the, yeah, in the primary, and then in the general, they weren’t, because while doing voter purging, they also looked at the boundaries and said, Oh, wait a second.

The boundary is actually here, not here. And so, uh, not only did that happen, but that purged people out of the district because they were no longer registered in the right district, massive 

Chuck: issue. People that we know who voted Democrat in the primary. 

Big John: Correct. Yeah. Who would have voted for me? 

Chuck: Right.

Because, especially if you voted Democrat in the primary gonna vote Democrat in general, like that’s, that’s insane. That to me is so egregious and you’re okay. And so to your point, vote purging is literally purging or getting rid of someone off of the voter rolls. And to me it’s it’s agregious and, and they always like, like the excuse is always, Oh, well it’s for data integrity.

It’s for it’s because we have too many names in the system because, you know, they don’t use a cloud or anything. And it just, you run out of room and the pipes of the internet to have all these names, I guess. So in Tennessee, this, this is kind of the archaic rules for Tennessee. If your name has changed and you have not notified the election commission within 90 days, he’s gone.

And so, John, I know, I know it’s hard for you to put yourself in the shoes and for me too, cause I haven’t changed my name, but like, think about it. If my wife, for example, getting married, um, I don’t think that changing your voter registration was necessarily top of her list. And especially if you don’t know about that role.

And so the effect of that, so I’ll go through the rest here in a minute, but I do want to say the effectiveness. This is, if you go to vote, you are not on, on the voter list and a place like Tennessee. And I’m assuming West Virginia too, does not have same day registration. And so you can see where that these chips start to stack together and disenfranchise so many people.

Now, if you have say day registration, not problem gets resolved. Um, if you’re convicted of a felony in Tennessee, which is, I think for the most part, aside from Florida and a couple of other States, I do believe that you’re purged not saying that that’s a good thing, but that’s not just a Tennessee thing.

If you had moved out of the County or if you’ve registered to vote elsewhere, if you fail to respond to a notice confirming your voter registration, and if you fail to update your voter registration, Over a period of two consecutive, regular November elections that you did not vote on. So if you just don’t vote and two November elections, they can pop you off, though.

Big John: I think that’s what West Virginia’s rule is to consecutive. Uh, November election is so stupid. Yeah. Yeah. 

Chuck: What if I don’t want to vote in that election? I don’t have 

Big John: to. And that’s the thing too, is, is the constitution protects the right to vote. It doesn’t say you have to vote. Yeah. It effectively 

Chuck: protects your right to, to decide, not to 

Big John: show up.

Yeah. It protects your right to show up on election day and cast your ballot. But, but they’re making sure that that’s not the case 

Chuck: under the guise of data integrity and just wanting to make sure that everybody. It was registered at the right place. It’s so ridiculous. They’re usually the response is, well, we mail people and let them know.

Well, let me tell you something that doesn’t always work. 

Big John: Yeah. I mean, unless they, and of course they don’t mail it certified. Oh no. Cause that would, you know, that would cost too much money and guarantee that it gets done 

Chuck: or taxpayer dollars. The other thing I wanted to just kind of put this number into perspective.

So this is in 2019, Ohio 460,000 people were purged from the voter file, Georgia 313,000 people in October 20, 19 alone, 313,000 people that is, let’s see, let’s put that number in that is about half the population of the city of Nashville, roughly. 313,000. Um, that is 10 times the population of Parkersburg, John, where you are right now.

I believe it’s roughly 30, right? 

Big John: Uh, yeah, it used to be more, but now I think it’s only 30. That’s a shit 

Chuck: load of people. 

Big John: It’s so many people, 

Chuck: cities of Parkersburg. That’s insane. Yup. 

Big John: And still no target. 

Chuck: Yeah. Right. My mom is going to hear that and just put praise, hands up. Like.

Big John: Got a, sheet’s got a home goods speaking. I’m not going to get started. I tweeted this out, but home goods, man. Great grocery store. Great grocery store. 

Chuck: There’s solid store. Solid store theorem by TJ Maxx. 

Big John: I know they’re right next door, both great. They both have great food. 

Chuck: I don’t doubt it back. I wanted to, I want to dial back to Georgia real quick because there were a couple of specifics aside from what you mentioned that I wanted to point out just to kind of give listeners a little bit of perspective about, because I know that we’ve been talking very generally about this, but in Georgia and this bill passed, I believe on March 1st.

So when you’re listening to this roughly two weeks ago, it was a bill that restricted ballot drop boxes requires more ID for absentee voting and limited weekend, early voting days. So all things that in my opinion are ridiculous. Like limiting ballot Dropbox is a stupid yeah. It’s it’s absurd. You have to go out of your way to vote.

These are, this is the whole thing. It’s like, it’s supposed to exacerbate inconveniences number one, but also disenfranchise people who, who are limited in their means. Now think about this. And this will probably be dealt with in Tennessee a lot. Let’s say that you, John Liv, we’ll talk about Georgia. Let’s say you live in, um, and one part of Atlanta.

All right. And you’re poor. You can’t afford a car. So you have to rely on public transportation. They restrict the number of ballot drop boxes. Now the only place with a drop Dropbox is five, 10 miles away from the nearest bus stop or nearest transit stop. Yeah, you are shit out of luck. Aren’t you 

Big John: essentially.


Chuck: Unless you want to walk five to 10 miles to drop 

Big John: your ballot off. Yeah. This is frustrating too, because, um, I dunno I like to give everybody the benefit of the doubt, but like, this is one of those situations where if you’re limiting, someone’s voting rights, I don’t care if you’re Democrat, Republican, whatever whoever’s doing it, it’s wrong.

I mean the ability to vote as a fundamental right in the United States, it’s the reason why the Supreme court has protected all his costs. It’s the, you know, the reason why politicians should protect it at all costs, but you know, we’re now I believe we, you know, we used to be a democracy where the, um, The people really did elect the best person or the person that they thought would do the best job. Voting, voting, voting, voting, voting!

And now, uh, politicians, aren’t looking at that, they’re looking at how many voters they can stop from voting for the other side. And I think that that’s really sad. 

Chuck: It’s that whole, um, it’s kind of like the same saying that goes along with gerrymandering. It used to be where, where voters pick their politician, but now it’s politicians picking their voters.

And the, in this case it’s picking the people that they don’t want voting against 

Big John: them. Exactly. You know, they, if they can hold people out, then they can win. 

Chuck: Yeah. It’s just, it’s so it’s so shameful because it’s such an egregious thing to suggest that my vote, your vote, um, a black person, a Brown person’s vote doesn’t count or should be harder to, uh, to count than others.

Big John: Yeah. I mean, the other thing that bothers me too, is like, we, we keep, you know, we’re focusing on, um, It benefiting the people who, uh, are, are creating this legislation, but there is down-ballot ramifications to this too. Like this isn’t, this isn’t just going to affect, you know, the higher up races, this affects your Supreme court races, which a lot of States right now, uh, have moved to the, uh, independent only, uh, I know at least West Virginia has where all the, all the Supreme court justice are looked as independence, but you know, you’re going to stop people from being able to vote for their Supreme court justice.

You’re going to stop people from being able to vote for their own mayor. I mean, it’s just, it, the down-ballot ramifications of this has really, to me super scary, because I always argue that that local politics are far more important than federal politics. Uh, most of the time, because you’re dealing with those people every day and they, their, their laws are what changed your life.

And the fact is like, You know, this is going to be sad for, for the future. Voting, voting, voting, voting, voting!

Chuck: Yeah, I agree. And I think that was one point that I was hoping to make some glad that you did, which is that these local elections are the ones that really matter all of these things that we’ve talked about have been with state legislatures.

Now that’s not to say that Congress hasn’t proposed voting restrictions in the past and whatnot, or are currently considering them, but everything. We talked about, state legislatures. So you’re talking about local representatives, delegates, state, senators, those types of people who are making these decisions and who, I know a lot of those races, I don’t know what your voter turnout was, John, but a lot of those, the voter turnout is like 20, 30% may be 40% and a super big race.

But a lot of times it’s 20 to 30% of the registered voting population for that district turning out to vote for somebody, which means that roughly. 15 plus percent or whatever of the registered voting population or electing that person. It 

Big John: kind of just hit me too. Um, when with you saying that, and it is interesting.

So if you are a, right now in most elections, I would argue in rural States Democrats, aren’t going out to vote and it’s because they feel hopeless because they, you know, they, they don’t think that they’re, you know, the presidential candidates not gonna win they’re senators, not going to win, you know, stuff like that.

Well, it just hit me if they don’t vote in two November elections, they’re going to get purged and then there’s going to be even less Democrats in there. And the same goes for Republican. It, the same is going to go for Republicans too, if that happens. But yep. This is only going to hurt the parties themselves too, because you know, you’re going to have hopeless for a while and we know it flips, it always flips, you know?

Um, I don’t know if West Virginia flipped anytime soon, but. Then you’re going to have the other side who’s hopeless and then they’re going to have to purge those voters and then come back. It’s it’s gonna, it’s just a 

Chuck: a huge mess. That’s a that’s a great point. And in a place like Tennessee, whereas a lot of Democrats don’t feel like there’s much point in voting. Voting, voting, voting, voting, voting! Voting, voting, voting, voting, voting!

I mean, I can’t imagine how many of them haven’t turned out for two of those, but they’re, they’re going to be booted off the rolls. 

Big John: They’re done. Imagine if I, I don’t know if I don’t know California’s law, but I’m going to assume that they don’t have these types of voter purging laws. Um, but let’s say they don’t.

Republicans, a lot of them skip voting in California if, especially if they’re in the really large populated areas because they don’t, you know, there’s no point in them showing up in their eyes and that’s what you’re going to start. You know, you’re seeing that in rural areas too, the only difference is in these rural settings, they do have voter purging laws.

So it’s, it’s gonna hurt at the, at the federal level and the local level, um, just based off of not participating based, you know? Cause you don’t think you’re gonna win and people don’t even know that this is the ramification that’s going to come. Yeah. They think that there’s one less vote, but they don’t think that their voting right is going to get taken away, but it is 

Chuck: okay.

It is. And um, so when I give you some numbers here to put in perspective for West Virginia, Um, just cause I want to back my dad up here and in 2018, that would be your election year for the general election. And this is not like your election specifically, but just general election overall 47.9, 3% turnout out of registered voters in the state.

Yeah, that’s it? That is, that is crazy. So out of the 1.2, 5 million people that are registered West Virginia, a little less than 600,000. Yep. 

Big John: I remember. And this was like fifth, a little over 50. And people saying that that was one of the highest areas 

Chuck: in Morgan County, which is one of the counties he ran in 47% voter turnout.

And it was at Berkeley. That was the other one or 

Big John: yeah, Berkeley, 

Chuck: Berkeley was 44% turnout. 

Big John: Right. I remember the Morgan County part of my district having substantial turnout because, uh, most of them obviously are Republican. 

Chuck: Yeah. And I know we’re getting, um, I know I’m getting bogged down in the numbers, so I don’t mean to, but it just shows you like, it’s a good example.

Right? Well, and, and McDowell County, which is one of the poorest counties in West Virginia, 27% turnout in the election, 27%. Wow. Yeah, it’s crazy. It is crazy. And you think about what types of, I know I’m going on diatribe here. I’m sorry. But what types of things would change if turnout numbers spruce it up or people are able to vote?

Um, anyway, I know I’m getting on a rant here, so I’ll get off my soap box. Well, that kind of wraps up the discussion about voting. Uh, I hope that you all found it interesting and helpful. I think it’s really helpful to talk about this stuff because a lot of times. You know, you hear about it passing on the news, but you don’t really get to conceptualize it, or you just don’t think about it or you don’t hear about it, but this stuff is real and it’s happening.

It’s disenfranchising a lot of people. And so there’s a lot of people now that are in power making decisions that were elected by a very small, small minority of people that essentially they chose was shameful. But anyway, wrapping up it’s time time to, to, to Nessel on, in the, the great Bambino of beef with big John.

Ladies and gentlemen, life Parkersburg West by God, Virginia. It’s the 18 Husky himself brief with Rick.

Big John: We’ll mention real quick. Um, and this is, uh, I don’t, I don’t always do this, but I do have, uh, it’s with a house of delegates member here in West Virginia. Uh, it’s not a bill that you would probably think I got beef with, but real quick. Uh, so house delegates member Riley Keaton, uh, who is an 18 year old kid who, uh, just won his election.

He beat a friend of mine named Mark Pauly. And essentially this bill that just went in, it went up, it. Stops Chuck, you’re not going to believe this. You’re going to, you’re going to tell me I’m lying, but I’m not. I promise it, it ends the tax on figurines and any other things that have to deal with like Dungeons 

Chuck: and dragons. Voting, voting, voting, voting, voting! Voting, voting, voting, voting, voting!

I didn’t know that there was an individual state tax on that. 

Big John: There’s not like he wants to end the sales tax on 

Chuck: it, like a line item, sales tax. 

Big John: That’s my understanding of the reason is that he, that is that it’s been put in now hear me out because I, I actually, I agree with what Riley’s doing. I think it’s great, but here’s, he needs to go further.

If you look behind me, I’ve got a ton of figurines. The cold foam goes. Those needs to be put in Riley, put that in right now. And I’ll support this a hundred percent. I think what you’re doing is great and I don’t always agree with you, but I think what you’re doing is great, but you’re just not going far enough on a side note.

A lot of people were tweeting it at me. So I had to mention it 

Chuck: times for the 12th cited day. Voting, voting, voting, voting, voting! Voting, voting, voting, voting, voting!

Big John: Right. That’s good. Uh, the, uh, okay. The real beef here, uh, has to do with where I’m sitting right now, Parkersburg West Virginia, Chuck. Uh, we tweeted out a picture of some guys walking around, uh, Vienna, West Virginia, the mall there, the grand central mall, which a lot of West Virginians know 

Chuck: and 

Big John: love that they were wearing a Nazi symbols swastikas.

Right. And Chuck, I don’t know. Did you read the comments that we got, 

Chuck: uh, Generally there was a lot. So, I mean, I, the general consensus is that people wanted to inflict physical violence on them, 

Big John: I think. Right. And, and, and that’s not what I got beef with. I got beef either. A lot of people made assumptions that, that people in Parkersburg or people in Vianna were okay with this.

You know that, that they, you know, Oh, I’m not shocked. It happened there. W I am, I live here, I live here, you know, I’m here all the time. I don’t see that kind of stuff. That’s not, that’s not Parkersburg in my opinion. I’m not trying to say that, you know, there’s no racism or anything like that going on. I’m just saying that that is not a fair assumption to make about this area.

I understand that West Virginia has its issues, but, uh, what people aren’t talking about is the guy who stopped these two individuals and essentially told them to get out, or he was going to kick their ass, you know, and made sure that these guys left. And every time they muttered to him, he turned right back around and make sure that they walked out the door.

Nobody’s talking about that, right? Um, what I, I mean, I would just say, um, Kind of gallery of, of hatred, you know, based off their, off what they’re wearing. Uh, but people were stopping that. And the other thing that I wanted to bring up, and this is, I think even, uh, more upsetting is that if you go through the thread, you’ll not only see people making that assumption but then you see people connecting it to drug abuse, to addiction and saying, Oh, you know, Parkersburg is filled with druggies who do all these kinds of things.

You know, they’re probably all meth doubt. Give me a break. Parkersburg has been dealing with a drug issue just like West Virginia and just like all of Appalachia has been dealing with a drug issue and has been doing a better job here recently by allowing even more rehab centers, uh, to come into the area without Parkersburg.

For most of us Virginians without Parkersburg y’all would have a lot more problems than, than what you got right now, because Parkersburg has got a ton of rehab facilities and is allowing people to come in and use them from other areas. They’re actually doing a really good job when it comes to these things.

Uh, and the fact is you have other West Virginians who are pointing the finger saying, you know, all they got at worse than us when we shouldn’t be doing that kind of stuff. And the fact is you can have an addiction crazy enough here, Chuck, you can have an addiction problem and not be a racist. That’s the other thing that really upset me with this is there’s some ins, you know, that if somebody has an addiction, that they also are going to have this problem, that that’s not even close to being the case.

These people do have problems. They need help. And that’s why they come, you know, to Parkersburg or, or they go just to a rehab facility and get help. But it isn’t, it has no connection to that. And by doing that, and you continue to push back, you know, for what these people have accomplished, the people who have gotten clean or, you know, who are living a better lifestyle or the people who are trying to live a better lifestyle.

When you do that, you, that you’re setting them back. You’re not, you’re not being helpful in any way. In fact, you’re being a hindrance and you should be ashamed of yourself for saying these kinds of things, because you see, you try to claim that you’re better than everybody, or you’re better than those people, but you’re not.

And you’re part of the problem when you do that. And I won’t sit here and harp on this, but you know, this is, uh, this is something that really upsets me because, you know, West Virginia has an issue and we’re all trying to fix it. We’re all trying to help people, but you can’t go out, you know, and look at these people and say, you know, I’m know I’m out here to help.

And then once you get inside your house or you get on Twitter because you think you’re really cool and you, you know, you’re a really powerful keyboard, a warrior. But then you start typing all of these terrible things. Do you think that these people aren’t going to see this? It just makes you look terrible and it does nothing to help these people.

I just wish that people would really start to think about the stuff that they’re typing, because they try to say that they’re better than, than what they’re seeing elsewhere, but they’re not, they’re, they’re actually much worse. 

Chuck: Um, that’s interesting that people took that from Nazis in the mall. 

Big John: It blows my mind.

It’s just, I get this a lot with West Virginians too, and you’re not, you’re not helping anybody. Right. And I don’t care if you’re right left center, uh, purple blue, Brown, white, whatever. The fact is you can’t, you can’t be a different person in your real life than you are on Twitter because it. People are only going to look at what you say on Twitter.

Cause that’s all the only way I know most of these people. So when they say this kind of stuff, it makes me not want to associate with them, even though they may be trying to do good things who knows. But I think that there, you know, there’s a cycle of fake empowerment, um, on Twitter. And then as soon as, as soon as, you know, push comes to shove, they say these types of terrible things and the right does it too.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m just saying that, um, you know, it’s going on both sides. It’s really disappointing. I just hope that we become better. Um, I’m, I’m frustrated by this happening in my town. I, you know, I don’t want it to happen here. Do you think I want people outside of this to think a certain way about Parkersburg.

I live here. I own a house here. Like people know I’m from here. Uh, but I can tell you this. There are a lot of people doing a lot of good things here too. And the fact, if, if you’re trying to group us all together, you’re doing a disservice to most people, including Chuck cause Chuck’s from here. So you’re really doing a disservice to Chuck too.

So even if you don’t like me, which a lot of you don’t you’re you got to yeah. He’s his hands are over the, uh, the old S you know, uh, the old motto of West of Parkersburg, which is, let’s be friends, which has now disappeared on the flood wall. Uh, no, I think that if you look, if you look at the, uh, the one thing I will say is that I am proud of is that the majority of people in Parkersburg were ready to flip over a car to get to these people.

It wasn’t like it wasn’t like there was a massive people, Oh yeah. Protect our first amount right now that wasn’t the response. Yeah. 

Chuck: People were ready to take their trucks and hit them with them and they love those 

Big John: trucks. Right. Like, and again, it’s just one of those things that, um, I think there’s a lot of misconceptions and I understand we said it at the top of this episode, that stereotypes are usually, uh, they they’re brought on by real things.

And we can talk about real things that are happening in West Virginia and Appalachia, but. In my opinion. And I think in the opinion of most people protecting Nazis, isn’t one of them. 

Chuck: Yeah. I would hope not. Um, I think what we’ll we’ll do is, so this is going to be a subject of our exclusive. So for y’all listening, if you want a little bit more of the talk about the Nazi, the mall Nazis and, and kind of what that means and how we, we process something like that, because it is worth discussing, we’ll be talking about it in this closeup on Patrion, but, uh, I think, um, I think we’ll end with, uh, just saying that obviously it’s terrible and the fact that they felt that emboldened to go in there and do that is problem in and of itself.

Anyway. Thanks everybody for listening again. Uh, check out our store, new designs up there, new nude new ones coming soon. All the time, throw them up. Like, I don’t know, like, like a dog that ate too much candy. 

Big John: Why don’t you just say, why didn’t you just say a kid that ate was good. 

Chuck: I don’t know because my dog’s been thrown up a lot lately.

That’s the only thing I don’t know. Uh, Oh man. It’s not from candy. Thank God. Anyway, thank you all so much for listening. Check us out on Patrion and um, and everything else. And we will talk to you again next week.

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